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Re: Usenet feeds via NNCP (UUCP successor) available

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On 8/31/21 05:01, John Goerzen wrote:
 > Hi folks,
 >
 > If you haven't heard of it, NNCP [1] is to UUCP approximately what 
ssh is to
 > rsh/telnet.  NNCP is asynchronous, delay-tolerant for fire-and-forget 
secure
 > reliable files, file requests, Internet mail (and now NEWS) and commands
 > transmission. All packets are integrity checked, end-to-end encrypted,
 > explicitly authenticated by known participants public keys. Onion 
encryption is
 > applied to relayed packets. Each node acts both as a client and 
server, can use
 > push and poll behaviour model.   NNCP can operate over a lot of 
transports:
 > Internet, USB sticks, tapes, CD-ROMs, ssh, Dropbox, etc.
 >
 > So basically it's UUCP for the modern world.  I've used NNCP for 
everything from
 > automated git repo synchronization [2] to hundreds-of-GB ZFS backup 
streams.
 >
 > And I now intend to offer Usenet feeds to interested people that 
would like to
 > receive them over NNCP.  The setup is easier than with UUCP, the 
environment is
 > more secure, and the approach is so similar that it needs only a tiny 
bit of
 > glue to drop in to INN in place of UUCP.
 >
 > Over at 
https://github.com/jgoerzen/nncp-tools/blob/main/docs/usenet.org you can
 > find my instructions on doing this.  It contains instructions both for
 > communicating with news.quux.org over NNCP (including prerequisites and
 > expectations) as well as some background on setting up NNCP for 
standalone
 > INN-based non-public networks.
 >
 > It is also a sort of brief-ish tutorial on the minimum setup 
necessary to get
 > INN working with NNCP in this way.  It could also, by extension, be 
somewhat of
 > a starting point for the INN side of things for those wishing to use 
UUCP as
 > well.  The primary difference is using nncp-exec instead of uux, and 
there is a
 > small shell wrapper to pretend to be uux and transform the uux 
invocation into
 > an nncp-exec one.  No INN patching is necessary.
 >
 > For those interested, NNCP's integration page [3] discusses how to 
integrate it
 > with Postfix or Exim (agin using UUCP-like techniques), BitTorrent, 
etc.  Over
 > at my nncp-tools page [4] I have information on the NNCP public relay 
I operate,
 > tunneling NNCP over other transports, and so forth.
 >
 > I would welcome any corrections, contributions, feedback, etc. on any 
of this.
 >
 > Thanks,
 >
 > John
 >
 > [1] http://www.nncpgo.org/ or https://nncp.mirrors.quux.org/
 >
 > [2] 
https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10274-distributed-asynchronous-git-syncing-with-nncp
 >
 > [3] https://nncp.mirrors.quux.org/Integration.html
 >
 > [4] https://github.com/jgoerzen/nncp-tools

(Necropost, but this project is still actively advertised on your site.)

My concern with this idea is that you may have designed an Abstraction 
Inversion (https://wiki.c2.com/?AbstractionInversion): it seems like 
NNCP is a protocol stack to transfer news over something virtually 
identical to news, or at least something virtually identical to e-mail.

You make a point that everything's nice and simple because NNCP packets 
are fundamentally just files - but so are news articles (and e-mails). 
If you have a system to transfer NNCP packets containing news articles, 
why not just transfer the news articles? I feel that e-mail and news 
(not SMTP and NNTP) are already the asynchronous communication system 
you want. I think the biggest difference is that in NNCP every node is 
an anonymous remailer.

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Usenet feeds via NNCP (UUCP successor) available John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> - 2021-08-31 03:01 +0000
  Re: Usenet feeds via NNCP (UUCP successor) available Chris Baird <cjb+usenet@brushtail.apana.org.au> - 2021-08-31 23:51 +1000
    Re: Usenet feeds via NNCP (UUCP successor) available John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> - 2021-08-31 15:57 +0000
  Re: Usenet feeds via NNCP (UUCP successor) available opal hart <usenet@wowana.me> - 2021-09-13 19:43 +0000
    Re: Usenet feeds via NNCP (UUCP successor) available John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> - 2021-09-16 04:21 +0000
  Re: Usenet feeds via NNCP (UUCP successor) available Crypto God <CryptoGod@china.com> - 2021-10-09 04:54 +0000
    Re: Usenet feeds via NNCP (UUCP successor) available John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> - 2021-11-08 14:48 +0000
  im cuonfused Meow <elliottg@duck.com> - 2023-06-17 20:07 +0000
  Re: Usenet feeds via NNCP (UUCP successor) available immibis <news@immibis.com> - 2023-12-16 15:35 +0100

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