Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!talisker.lacave.net!lacave.net!not-for-mail From: Michael Edgar Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby Subject: Re: where does the pure method defined when starting irb Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 10:12:30 -0500 Organization: Service de news de lacave.net Lines: 82 Message-ID: <6771931668916090376@unknownmsgid> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: bristol.highgroove.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: talisker.lacave.net 1305213698 72835 65.111.164.187 (12 May 2011 15:21:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@lacave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:21:38 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: X-Received-From: This message has been automatically forwarded from the ruby-talk mailing list by a gateway at comp.lang.ruby. If it is SPAM, it did not originate at comp.lang.ruby. Please report the original sender, and not us. Thanks! For more details about this gateway, please visit: http://blog.grayproductions.net/categories/the_gateway X-Mail-Count: 383081 X-Ml-Name: ruby-talk X-Gateway-Modified: [Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.] X-Rubymirror: Yes X-Ruby-Talk: <6771931668916090376@unknownmsgid> Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.ruby:4375 [Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.] On May 12, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Christopher Dicely wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:40 AM, Brian Xue wrote: Hello, I have some puzzles, when I start irb, puts self => main puts self.class => Object After that, if I write the following method, def hello; end =>nil then where is the method "hello" defined? within Object? but self.class.instance_methods.include? :hello =>false Right, because its not defined as an instance method in the Object class, its defined as an instance method in the singleton class of the current object (main). So, in IRB for Ruby 1.8.7 after the above (class < true For some reason, IRB for Ruby 1.9.2 is weird, and I can't find the method anywhere, even though the method works. Even respond_to? ignores it: ruby 1.9.2p180 (2011-02-18 revision 30909) [x86_64-linux] christopher@ubuntu:~$ irb ruby-1.9.2-p180 :001 > def hello ruby-1.9.2-p180 :002?> "hello" ruby-1.9.2-p180 :003?> end => nil ruby-1.9.2-p180 :004 > hello => "hello" ruby-1.9.2-p180 :005 > self.respond_to? :hello => false Its back to working again in head, which shows the cleaner 1.9 syntax: christopher@ubuntu:~$ ruby -v ruby 1.9.3dev (2011-05-02 trunk 31407) [x86_64-linux] christopher@ubuntu:~$ irb ruby-head :001 > def hello ruby-head :002?> "hello" ruby-head :003?> end => nil ruby-head :004 > hello => "hello" ruby-head :005 > self.respond_to? :hello => true ruby-head :006 > self.singleton_class.instance_methods.include? :hello => true Methods defined at the top level are created as a private instance method on the Object class. You can use public/private at the top level to change the visibility used. In this case, try Object.private_instance_methods(false) .