Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!weretis.net!feeder5.news.weretis.net!talisker.lacave.net!lacave.net!not-for-mail From: Everett L Williams II Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby Subject: Re: functional paradigm taking over Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 13:58:41 -0500 Organization: Service de news de lacave.net Lines: 51 Message-ID: <4D9F5AD2.9030809@classicnet.net> References: <6aeb13eb26b5656ca2247601ed369bcf@ruby-forum.com> <4D99ABF9.60407@classicnet.net> <20110404150412.GF99405@guilt.hydra> <4D9DDD7F.70407@classicnet.net> <20110407212435.GA15054@guilt.hydra> <5f74a408c138a2844937ecc0213fd8ad@ruby-forum.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bristol.highgroove.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: talisker.lacave.net 1302293525 44376 65.111.164.187 (8 Apr 2011 20:12:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@lacave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 20:12:05 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <5f74a408c138a2844937ecc0213fd8ad@ruby-forum.com> X-Received-From: This message has been automatically forwarded from the ruby-talk mailing list by a gateway at comp.lang.ruby. If it is SPAM, it did not originate at comp.lang.ruby. Please report the original sender, and not us. Thanks! For more details about this gateway, please visit: http://blog.grayproductions.net/categories/the_gateway X-Mail-Count: 381213 X-Ml-Name: ruby-talk X-Gateway-Modified: [Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.] X-Rubymirror: Yes X-Ruby-Talk: <4D9F5AD2.9030809@classicnet.net> Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.ruby:2551 [Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.] *Mike, As attractive a tool as Ruby is, with the attitudes being evince here, I think that I will take my playtoys elsewhere. Ruby has some of the best features of a whole group of current languages, but it is not well standardized and it does not offer the level of leverage offered by even the fairly mediocre 4GL's. Ruby is just a free version of some things that would otherwise cost money, and it has not even achieved the level of acceptance of some of the other free tools. Unfortunately, the best of languages that I have seen out there are commercial and almost or completely proprietary. That would be Eiffel and MainSAIL. Both are far more powerful than Ruby, and both offer better diagnostic facilities as well as a far tighter development cycle. I think that until I have some project that just cries out for some facility only available in Ruby (and I cannot imagine what that might be), I will drop out of this forum. You might consider just how important Ruby is to you with this set of attitudes being displayed. Everett L.(Rett) Williams II * Mike Stephens wrote: > Chad Perrin wrote > >> you found a 4GL very useful within its narrow domain of >> intended applicability >> > Chad , you have a rather prejudiced view of languages that don't look > like what you're used to. > > For a few decades of my career, 4GLs paid the mortgage for me. I did a > North Sea Oil system in ADS/On-line. Focus (with a touch of Rexx) ran > the second biggest direct insurer in the UK for a while. It was the most > efficient and fast-moving corporate IT department I've ever worked in. > Focus provided ETL and data warehousing for the biggest card aquirer in > the UK - hundreds of million of transactions per month. It managed loans > of hundreds of millions to the biggest corporations in the World. What > have your precious 'proper' programming languages done? > > I cut my teeth in IT before the advent of the Object-oriented Era. > Everyone was excited when OO arrived. However what I often see from > people taught OO from the cradle is a kind of religiousity, arrogance, > intolerance - this is is the only true path to righteousness; every > thing else should be burned. It's not really as black and white as that. > You need to live-and-let-live. > >