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| Started by | Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2014-05-28 14:23 -0500 |
| Last post | 2014-05-31 09:28 -0800 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 324 — 57 participants |
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Python 3 is killing Python Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 14:23 -0500
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2014-05-28 21:39 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-28 22:41 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 12:49 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 14:58 -0500
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-05-29 03:49 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 21:23 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-05-29 06:38 -0500
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-05-29 06:15 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-28 21:24 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-05-28 23:14 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 15:12 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2014-07-14 23:37 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-14 23:47 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 18:00 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 11:18 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 09:28 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 18:54 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 12:11 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 21:18 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 14:40 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Martin S <shieldfire@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 06:31 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-15 05:41 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Tim Roberts <timr@probo.com> - 2014-07-16 20:18 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 22:15 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-07-17 17:36 +1200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 15:45 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 15:45 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 08:05 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-07-15 12:30 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 00:59 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-07-15 12:19 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-15 15:50 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-07-15 17:38 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-15 18:23 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 16:35 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ben Finney <ben@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-05-29 08:38 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 16:22 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python beliavsky@aol.com - 2014-08-06 06:47 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-08-06 14:42 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-07 12:42 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-07 13:37 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-08-07 21:07 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-05-28 21:57 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2014-05-31 12:07 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2014-05-31 13:09 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Stefan Behnel <stefan_ml@behnel.de> - 2014-05-31 13:22 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2014-06-01 04:57 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 13:35 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-05-31 21:11 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2014-06-01 13:38 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2014-06-01 07:01 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-06-01 07:52 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2014-06-01 13:41 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-06-01 12:53 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-06-01 17:21 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2014-06-02 07:14 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-05-31 12:30 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-05-31 08:48 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 09:01 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-06-02 16:15 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-06-02 12:21 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-06-03 02:30 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-06-02 16:52 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2014-06-02 19:16 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 11:53 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-06-02 18:59 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-06-02 23:12 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 23:30 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-06-03 09:03 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-06-03 07:22 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 21:58 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-15 00:23 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 08:31 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 21:47 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 14:20 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Fabien <fabien.maussion@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 14:17 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 23:00 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2014-07-15 09:57 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 00:31 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-15 20:38 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-15 19:06 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-15 23:01 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 03:51 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 14:20 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 07:33 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 08:52 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 16:26 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 09:44 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 16:50 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-16 00:11 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 07:49 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 18:44 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 11:35 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 21:54 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 13:46 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 12:10 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 22:55 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-16 06:10 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 16:11 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-16 06:22 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 00:04 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 17:39 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 01:23 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 18:48 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 02:07 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 19:20 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 02:51 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 13:15 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-17 12:27 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-07-17 07:18 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 07:49 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-07-30 14:31 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-16 17:02 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-16 18:47 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-07-16 16:27 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 15:41 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 00:00 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 18:16 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 03:14 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 08:17 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:49 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 20:34 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-18 14:17 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 13:20 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 23:54 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 03:16 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 21:47 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Fabien <fabien.maussion@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 12:12 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 21:12 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 11:15 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 04:27 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-17 21:44 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 19:24 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:39 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 21:40 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-18 08:24 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 08:34 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-18 14:19 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 08:35 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> - 2014-07-18 17:25 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-18 19:45 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 20:06 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Emile van Sebille <emile@fenx.com> - 2014-07-17 12:22 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 21:37 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-17 17:30 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-17 20:13 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-18 18:38 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 01:26 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:54 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Andrew Berg <aberg010@my.hennepintech.edu> - 2014-07-17 19:45 -0500
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 13:01 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 16:45 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:15 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 20:37 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 15:34 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 02:21 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 18:27 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-18 16:46 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 16:49 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 16:50 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 17:22 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-18 21:27 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-18 21:21 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 09:29 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 02:41 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 12:00 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 13:39 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 09:13 +1000
Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-19 16:45 -0400
Re: Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 18:31 -0700
Re: Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 11:42 +1000
Re: Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-20 12:40 +0100
Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-20 17:52 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 18:22 -0700
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 11:32 +1000
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-20 23:49 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 10:55 +1000
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-20 23:28 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 13:34 +1000
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-21 05:00 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-21 13:00 -0700
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 20:56 +1000
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-21 14:30 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 04:35 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 15:50 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-19 19:23 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 09:10 +1000
Re: Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-21 02:54 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 08:24 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-18 18:20 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 19:31 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-18 20:44 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 14:37 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-07-18 18:09 -0400
Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-19 07:28 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> - 2014-07-19 11:08 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-19 14:31 -0400
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-20 01:23 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 11:39 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> - 2014-07-19 18:53 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] CHIN Dihedral <dihedral88888@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 08:37 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 14:18 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 07:50 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 09:19 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 10:41 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> - 2014-07-19 18:24 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] TP <wingusr@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 19:03 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> - 2014-07-19 20:10 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-01 13:10 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 21:22 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-01 15:19 +0300
Re: Python and IDEs Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 22:30 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-01 23:10 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 23:30 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-01 18:13 +0300
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-06 14:38 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-06 22:51 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-11 11:08 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Nicholas Cole <nicholas.cole@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 15:28 +0100
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-06 14:47 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-07 13:32 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-11 11:08 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-08-11 09:37 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-11 20:20 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-11 14:45 +0100
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-11 18:42 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-12 10:11 +1000
Re: Quoting and attribution (was: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python]) Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-08-11 19:27 -0500
Re: Quoting and attribution (was: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python]) Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-12 02:07 +0000
Re: Quoting and attribution (was: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python]) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-12 12:13 +1000
Re: Quoting and attribution (was: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python]) Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-08-11 21:23 -0500
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-13 12:42 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-13 23:35 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-13 16:51 +0100
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 00:39 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-08-02 11:14 +1200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 09:50 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Olaf Hering <olaf@aepfle.de> - 2014-08-02 09:10 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-08-02 23:38 +1200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Dietmar Schwertberger <maillist@schwertberger.de> - 2014-08-01 19:16 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-06 14:47 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-11 18:39 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-13 13:46 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 14:22 -0600
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-08-01 22:09 +0100
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-08-02 12:00 +1200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 10:20 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-08-02 23:33 +1200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 23:01 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-08-03 12:01 +1200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-03 11:12 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-08-02 14:55 +0100
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-08-03 12:04 +1200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Dietmar Schwertberger <maillist@schwertberger.de> - 2014-08-03 09:46 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-08-02 10:27 -0400
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-08-03 12:20 +1200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 09:48 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-05 13:29 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-06 02:50 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-05 19:25 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] TP <wingusr@gmail.com> - 2014-08-05 14:28 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-18 19:26 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2014-08-03 21:21 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 01:18 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Javier <nospam@nospam.com> - 2014-07-16 17:33 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 11:50 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 03:33 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 04:25 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python "Neil D. Cerutti" <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2014-07-16 11:48 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-16 18:34 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-07-17 08:31 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 16:41 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-07-17 09:09 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 17:59 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Glenn Linderman <v+python@g.nevcal.com> - 2014-08-01 23:18 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 21:24 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 13:47 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Abhiram R <abhi.darkness@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 03:07 +0530
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 02:08 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Abhiram R <abhi.darkness@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 03:05 +0530
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 22:49 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Abhiram R <abhi.darkness@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 03:43 +0530
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2014-07-15 18:30 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Abhiram R <abhi.darkness@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 04:10 +0530
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 16:53 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-16 02:57 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Tim Roberts <timr@probo.com> - 2014-07-16 20:20 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 13:38 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Abhiram R <abhi.darkness@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 09:07 +0530
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-16 09:18 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 12:20 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ben Finney <ben@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-07-17 14:17 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2014-07-16 00:45 +0100
Interleaved posting style for text discussion forums (was: Python 3 is killing Python) Ben Finney <ben@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-07-17 14:02 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 23:38 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2014-07-15 20:43 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-07-15 23:05 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-16 13:59 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 11:01 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-15 21:08 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-15 18:57 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-15 22:49 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-15 18:53 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 13:20 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 14:46 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 12:53 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2014-07-15 17:02 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-15 15:43 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 16:44 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 01:48 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 15:48 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 07:03 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 10:36 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 03:52 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 11:38 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 04:48 +1000
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| From | Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-08-06 14:47 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <20140806144758.f5817ee60d0e98ff30172a2a@gmx.net> |
| In reply to | #75479 |
> I've worked with both. Quite honestly, I really wish that other > operating systems had gone down this route. MS didn't possibly to make > it harder to steal software, From the perspective of the computer-literate, proficient screenworker, MS always got and gets everything completely wrong. > and Unix...well, *nix has the concept of the "distribution" that will > manage all of this for you. We all know the problems that this > causes. Linux was made by geeks who didn't have a clue of ergonomics for screenworkers and didn't care to get one. Sincerely, Wolfgang
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
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| Date | 2014-08-07 13:32 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <53e2f338$0$29979$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #75798 |
Wolfgang Keller wrote: > Linux was made by geeks who didn't have a clue of ergonomics for > screenworkers and didn't care to get one. I can only repeat what you said earlier: "You should get a clue in stead [sic] of just fantasizing up assumptions based on ignorance." I daresay that Linus Torvalds spends more time in front of a computer screen than most 9 to 5 "screenworkers". By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but deleting their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we know who you are replying to. -- Steven
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| From | Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-08-11 11:08 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <20140811110843.a314bb1b78cda13d26844ab5@gmx.net> |
| In reply to | #75827 |
> > Linux was made by geeks who didn't have a clue of ergonomics for > > screenworkers and didn't care to get one. > > I can only repeat what you said earlier: > > "You should get a clue in stead [sic] of just fantasizing up > assumptions based on ignorance." > > I daresay that Linus Torvalds spends more time in front of a computer > screen than most 9 to 5 "screenworkers". He's a developer, not a usual screenworker. > By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but > deleting their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we > know who you are replying to. That's what the "References:"-Header is there for. Sincerely, Wolfgang
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| From | alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-11 09:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <C90Gv.178758$xB.6140@fx36.am4> |
| In reply to | #76034 |
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 11:08:43 +0200, Wolfgang Keller wrote: >> By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but deleting >> their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we know who you >> are replying to. > > That's what the "References:"-Header is there for. > > Sincerely, > > Wolfgang Which is not normally visible unless you go looking for it Also despite the problems it causes there are still an large number of posters that use Google groups & probably cant see those headers even if they wished. Common courtesy (or netiquet if you prefer) would be to follow the conventions of the group you are posting to. -- You definitely intend to start living sometime soon.
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-11 20:20 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12846.1407752421.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #76037 |
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 7:37 PM, alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote: > On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 11:08:43 +0200, Wolfgang Keller wrote: > >>> By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but deleting >>> their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we know who you >>> are replying to. >> >> That's what the "References:"-Header is there for. > > Which is not normally visible unless you go looking for it > Also despite the problems it causes there are still an large number of > posters that use Google groups & probably cant see those headers even if > they wished. Common courtesy (or netiquet if you prefer) would be to > follow the conventions of the group you are posting to. Additionally, the References header is good for at most one level in. Can you see, by looking at my post here, who Alister is quoting? Yes, easily, because his attribution line is part of the text that I've quoted. Can you see who Wolfgang is quoting? No, because there's no attribution line. It's completely impractical to dig through the References header (Alister's post has nineteen message IDs in References, and presumably mine will add a twentieth) to find out who quoted whom three levels ago. ChrisA
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2014-08-11 14:45 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12853.1407764772.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #76034 |
On 11/08/2014 10:08, Wolfgang Keller wrote: > >> By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but >> deleting their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we >> know who you are replying to. > > That's what the "References:"-Header is there for. > > Sincerely, > > Wolfgang > The references header is conspicious by its absence. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence
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| From | Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-08-11 18:42 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <lsb2qd$p0s$2@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #76034 |
On 2014-08-11, Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> wrote:
> [somebody, but we don't know who, wrote]...
>> By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but
>> deleting their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we
>> know who you are replying to.
>
> That's what the "References:"-Header is there for.
Your over-confidence in Usenet, mailing list archives, news-to-mail
gateways, and various client applications is showing...
--
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! Can I have an IMPULSE
at ITEM instead?
gmail.com
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-08-12 10:11 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <53e95b96$0$30002$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #76034 |
Wolfgang Keller wrote: >> By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but >> deleting their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we >> know who you are replying to. > > That's what the "References:"-Header is there for. The References header is for the benefit of news and mail clients, not human readers. Giving attribution in the body of your text is for the benefit of people reading your reply, and I maintain that people are far more important than your news or mail client. It is rude to deliberately refuse to give attributes: - you're saying that the person you are replying to doesn't deserve to have their identity acknowledged even in passing; - you're saying that you expect all of your readers to spend significant time and effort to follow the machine references in the headers if they want to understand who you are talking to, just to save you the one-off cost of turning on the phrase used when replying, which every mail and news client I know of supports (including Sylpheed); - you are saying that anyone reading this forum via unthreaded web archives don't matter; - and anyone who (for one reason or another) is missing some of the referenced posts, possibly because they have expired, or were never delivered in the first place. So please stop being rude, and follow the convention of both email and usenet (as well as broader society) to give attribution to those you quote. -- Steven
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| From | Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-08-11 19:27 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Quoting and attribution (was: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python]) |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12876.1407803333.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #76091 |
On 2014-08-12 10:11, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > It is rude to deliberately refuse to give attributes While I find this true for first-level attribution, I feel far less obligation to attribute additional levels (and the verbosity they entail). If the reader is really that interested in who said what, then they can go back to previous posts to disinter that information. I find that On 2013-12-14 Ian Paul Freely wrote: > On 2014-12-11 Xavier Onasis wrote: >> On 2014-12-10 Pat McCann wrote: >>> On 2014-12-09 Mike Easter wrote: >>>> Lunch for Mary's birthday? >>> >>> How's Wednesday? >> >> Wed is good, what time? > > Earlier is better for me. 11:30? How about at that little Greek place on 4th Street? could just credit Ian and snip out the other attributions for the sake of quoting just the parts that I find matter. On 2013-12-14 Ian Paul Freely wrote: >>>> Lunch for Mary's birthday? >>> >>> How's Wednesday? >> >> Wed is good, what time? > > Earlier is better for me. 11:30? How about at that little Greek place on 4th Street? If I really care about who was associated with more historical comments, I'll pull up my message history and read the details. -tkc
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-08-12 02:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Quoting and attribution (was: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python]) |
| Message-ID | <53e976cb$0$29890$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #76093 |
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 19:27:25 -0500, Tim Chase wrote: > On 2014-08-12 10:11, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> It is rude to deliberately refuse to give attributes > > While I find this true for first-level attribution, I feel far less > obligation to attribute additional levels (and the verbosity they > entail). If the reader is really that interested in who said what, then > they can go back to previous posts to disinter that information. I cannot disagree with that. I consider that the first-level attribution MUST be given, second-level SHOULD be given, and third- and subsequent levels MAY be given, where MUST/SHOULD/MAY have their conventional meanings from RFC 2119. https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt With one proviso: if you respond *directly* to something quoted at the Nth-level, for any N, (as opposed to merely leaving it in to establish context), then you MUST given an attribution. Even if that attribution is just "Sorry, I don't know who said this", you ought to make an honest effort to give credit to those you quote directly. -- Steven
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-12 12:13 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Quoting and attribution (was: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python]) |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12877.1407809604.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #76094 |
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote: > I cannot disagree with that. I consider that the first-level attribution > MUST be given, second-level SHOULD be given, and third- and subsequent > levels MAY be given, where MUST/SHOULD/MAY have their conventional > meanings from RFC 2119. > > https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt That's fair. It's also very easy to give first-level attribution (just set your client up properly and that's that), while giving second-level means carefully retaining it from upstream. If it's easy (if you're quoting the beginning of the quote), then it's still of value, but it's not as important as first-level. ChrisA
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| From | Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-08-11 21:23 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Quoting and attribution (was: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python]) |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12878.1407810278.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #76094 |
On 2014-08-12 02:07, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> It is rude to deliberately refuse to give attributes > > > > While I find this true for first-level attribution, I feel far > > less obligation to attribute additional levels (and the verbosity > > they entail). > > I cannot disagree with that. I consider that the first-level > attribution MUST be given, second-level SHOULD be given, and third- > and subsequent levels MAY be given > > With one proviso: if you respond *directly* to something quoted at > the Nth-level, for any N, (as opposed to merely leaving it in to > establish context), then you MUST given an attribution. For these case, I tend to do it interlinearly with my response, e.g. "while you have some good points, I still lean towards Terry's recommendation to frobniculate the hammerjammer" rather than have a long list of attributions at the top of the email. -tkc
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| From | Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2014-08-13 12:42 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <20140813124234.28dcd9dda3eb9b114f4b51fb@gmx.net> |
| In reply to | #76091 |
> >> By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but > >> deleting their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we > >> know who you are replying to. > > > > That's what the "References:"-Header is there for. > > The References header is for the benefit of news and mail clients, > not human readers. Any half-decent news client will happily display a thread tree for you. Based on that References:-Header. > It is rude to deliberately refuse to give attributes: > So please stop being rude, and follow the convention of both email and > usenet (as well as broader society) to give attribution to those you > quote. I've been using mail and news for over 20 years now, you definitely don't need to teach me anything. End of subthread. Good Bye, Wolfgang
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
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| Date | 2014-08-13 23:35 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <53eb6988$0$29982$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #76186 |
Wolfgang Keller wrote: > I've been using mail and news for over 20 years now, you definitely > don't need to teach me anything. Except common courtesy. You may have been rude for over 20 years, but I don't have to put up with it for a second longer. > Good Bye, Agreed. *plonk* -- Steven
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2014-08-13 16:51 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12928.1407945086.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #76186 |
On 13/08/2014 11:42, Wolfgang Keller wrote: >>>> By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but >>>> deleting their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we >>>> know who you are replying to. >>> >>> That's what the "References:"-Header is there for. >> >> The References header is for the benefit of news and mail clients, >> not human readers. > > Any half-decent news client will happily display a thread tree for you. > Based on that References:-Header. > >> It is rude to deliberately refuse to give attributes: > >> So please stop being rude, and follow the convention of both email and >> usenet (as well as broader society) to give attribution to those you >> quote. > > I've been using mail and news for over 20 years now, you definitely > don't need to teach me anything. Very funny. It strikes me that your knowledge of using mail and news is akin to that of our resident unicode expert's knowledge of the FSR. > > End of subthread. > The subthread ends when people want it to end, not when you state that it has ended. It will not end until you stop being so downright rude in refusing to give attribution to those you quote. > Good Bye, Good riddance. Ditto Steven D'Aprano's *plonk* > > Wolfgang > -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-02 00:39 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12516.1406903944.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #75462 |
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Nicholas Cole <nicholas.cole@gmail.com> wrote: > Actually, that's not right. RiscOS had and OS X has (I'm sure the > others do as well) a concept that is similar to a shared library. But > the joy of an application bundle is that installing an application > does not scatter its own files all over the file-system, putting > configuration files here, binary resources there, library files > somewhere else, executable files somewhere else again. Shared libraries are a code execution model. The question is, how do you locate them? Let's suppose I write a program that requires the Nettle cryptography library. I can't depend on you already having that on your system; you might, but I can't depend on it. What do I do? Do I include it in my application bundle, or do I have some small record that says "and by the way, I need libnettle"? Including it in the application bundle means there'll be duplicates everywhere, possibly of slightly different versions. Not including it means there needs to be some kind of system for resolving dependencies, which is exactly what apt-get, yum, pacman, and so on are for. The installer has basically three choices. 1) Install libnettle inside the application directory 2) Install libnettle to some system library directory 3) Don't install libnettle, and demand that someone else (perhaps the user, or the system package manager) install it. Option 1 results in duplications. (Unless one application is allowed to access a library in another application's directory, which is a HORRIBLE mess.) Option 2 is exactly what you're complaining about, scattering files all over the FS. And option 3 is what package managers are for. What are you advocating? ChrisA
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| From | Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> |
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| Date | 2014-08-02 11:14 +1200 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <c42labFbbkpU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #75482 |
Chris Angelico wrote: > The installer has basically three choices. > 1) Install libnettle inside the application directory > 2) Install libnettle to some system library directory > 3) Don't install libnettle, and demand that someone else (perhaps the > user, or the system package manager) install it. > > Option 2 is exactly what you're complaining about, > scattering files all over the FS. Not really. On MacOSX, if you installed a shared library called libnettle, *all* the files relating to it would be kept in one directory called Nettle.framework (either in /Library/Frameworks or ~/Library/Frameworks depending on whether it's system-wide or for a single user). MacOSX doesn't currently have an automatic dependency manager, but if it did, things would still be a lot neater and tidier than they are in Linux or Windows, where what is conceptually a single object (a package) gets split up and its parts scattered around several obscure locations. -- Greg
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-02 09:50 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12528.1406937015.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #75504 |
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> The installer has basically three choices. >> 1) Install libnettle inside the application directory >> 2) Install libnettle to some system library directory >> 3) Don't install libnettle, and demand that someone else (perhaps the >> user, or the system package manager) install it. >> >> Option 2 is exactly what you're complaining about, >> scattering files all over the FS. > > > Not really. On MacOSX, if you installed a shared library > called libnettle, *all* the files relating to it > would be kept in one directory called Nettle.framework > (either in /Library/Frameworks or ~/Library/Frameworks > depending on whether it's system-wide or for a single user). > > MacOSX doesn't currently have an automatic dependency > manager, but if it did, things would still be a lot neater > and tidier than they are in Linux or Windows, where what > is conceptually a single object (a package) gets split up > and its parts scattered around several obscure locations. That's fine if I explicitly install libnettle - that's the third option. What happens if I install Foo's Cool Chat App, and FCCA uses libnettle to encrypt conversations? Is FCCA allowed to install libnettle into /Library/Frameworks? If so, its files will be split between there and its own app directory. ChrisA
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| From | Olaf Hering <olaf@aepfle.de> |
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| Date | 2014-08-02 09:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12535.1406963820.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #75504 |
On Sat, Aug 02, Gregory Ewing wrote: > MacOSX doesn't currently have an automatic dependency > manager, but if it did, things would still be a lot neater > and tidier than they are in Linux or Windows, where what > is conceptually a single object (a package) gets split up > and its parts scattered around several obscure locations. How does "a package" differ? Its "a package" here and there. Just use the correct tools to inspect "a package", like 'rpm -qliv $package' to see what "a package" is all about. Olaf
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| From | Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> |
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| Date | 2014-08-02 23:38 +1200 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <c440ujFjkpfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #75520 |
Olaf Hering wrote: > How does "a package" differ? Its "a package" here and there. > Just use the correct tools to inspect "a package", like > 'rpm -qliv $package' to see what "a package" is all about. Splitting the package up creates a problem, which you then need to invent a special tool to solve. Seems to me it's simpler not to create the problem in the first place. -- Greg
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