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  OT:  usenet reader software memilanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:10 -0700
    Re: OT:  usenet reader software Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-18 22:40 +0300
    Re: OT:  usenet reader software Warren Post <warren@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-18 14:23 -0600
    Re: OT:  usenet reader software alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-07-18 20:27 +0000
    Re: OT:  usenet reader software Paul Rudin <paul.nospam@rudin.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 21:10 +0100
    Re: OT:  usenet reader software cl@isbd.net - 2014-07-19 10:40 +0100
      Re: OT:  usenet reader software Monte Milanuk <memilanuk@invalid.com> - 2014-07-20 03:48 +0000
      Re: OT: usenet reader software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 14:23 +1000
      Re: OT: usenet reader software Monte Milanuk <memilanuk@invalid.com> - 2014-07-21 04:06 +0000
      Re: OT: usenet reader software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 14:11 +1000
    Re: OT:  usenet reader software Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-07-22 18:14 +0300
      Re: OT:  usenet reader software "Neil D. Cerutti" <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2014-07-22 14:36 -0400
    Re: OT:  usenet reader software ismeal shanshi <stuffstorehouse2014@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 10:36 -0700
      Re: OT:  usenet reader software Monte Milanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 20:49 +0000
        Re: OT:  usenet reader software Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-22 20:59 +0000
          Re: OT:  usenet reader software Monte Milanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 21:21 +0000
            Re: OT:  usenet reader software Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-22 21:57 +0000
          Re: OT: usenet reader software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-23 07:25 +1000
      Re: OT: usenet reader software Sturla Molden <sturla.molden@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 01:19 +0000
        Re: OT: usenet reader software cl@isbd.net - 2014-07-24 10:58 +0100

#74768 — OT: usenet reader software

Given the ongoing hub-bub about Google Groups and some recent long 
threads where I *really* wanted to be able to mute/ignore certain 
individuals/subjects... I started looking into other choices for Usenet 
reader software again.  I use news.gmane.org as a mail2news gateway for 
reading a lot of lists besides just this one, and gmane is about the 
most convenient way to do so without being bombarded by emails every day.

I'm on Ubuntu (14.04 LTS, if it matters) and I've been using Thunderbird 
for a loooong time... I've tinkered with slrn off and on over the years, 
tried pan occasionally due to recommendations... but I keep ending up 
back @ Thunderbird.  About the only thing it doesn't do that I really 
want is scoring/kill-files.  Slrn has those, and I do use vim on 
occasion so that worked well enough... but when people *do* post links 
or html it didn't handle that stuff gracefully like Thunderbird.  Pan... 
locks up and crashes often enough to be annoying, and I can't get it to 
display 'Threads with Unread' (i.e. new unread posts *with* their 
associated threads for context) - just 'Unread' or 'everything'.  Never 
messed with gnus... emacs was never really my thing.

Guess where I'm going with this is... is there anything out there worth 
trying - on Linux - that I'm missing?

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#74769

memilanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com>:

> Guess where I'm going with this is... is there anything out there
> worth trying - on Linux - that I'm missing?

I use GNUS under emacs for both news and mail.

Its main selling point is that the same keyboard commands work for news,
mail, Python, C, gdb, pdb, guile. IOW, there is one tool for typing and
editing text.


Marko

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#74773

On 07/18/2014 01:10 PM, memilanuk wrote:
> ... is there anything out there worth
> trying - on Linux - that I'm missing?

You've already tried them, but I bounce between Thunderbird and Pan. The 
former because it's integrated with the most of the rest of my messaging 
(mail, RSS); the latter for its great filtering. I too have had 
stability problems with Pan, but compiling from source fixed that for me.

-- 
Warren Post
https://warrenpost.wordpress.com/

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#74774

On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:10:02 -0700, memilanuk wrote:

> Given the ongoing hub-bub about Google Groups and some recent long
> threads where I *really* wanted to be able to mute/ignore certain
> individuals/subjects... I started looking into other choices for Usenet
> reader software again.  I use news.gmane.org as a mail2news gateway for
> reading a lot of lists besides just this one, and gmane is about the
> most convenient way to do so without being bombarded by emails every
> day.
> 
> I'm on Ubuntu (14.04 LTS, if it matters) and I've been using Thunderbird
> for a loooong time... I've tinkered with slrn off and on over the years,
> tried pan occasionally due to recommendations... but I keep ending up
> back @ Thunderbird.  About the only thing it doesn't do that I really
> want is scoring/kill-files.  Slrn has those, and I do use vim on
> occasion so that worked well enough... but when people *do* post links
> or html it didn't handle that stuff gracefully like Thunderbird.  Pan...
> locks up and crashes often enough to be annoying, and I can't get it to
> display 'Threads with Unread' (i.e. new unread posts *with* their
> associated threads for context) - just 'Unread' or 'everything'.  Never
> messed with gnus... emacs was never really my thing.
> 
> Guess where I'm going with this is... is there anything out there worth
> trying - on Linux - that I'm missing?

interesting
apart from an issue i had with multiple postings (due to a setting change 
i made) I have never had any issues with pan




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#74777

memilanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> writes:

> Guess where I'm going with this is... is there anything out there worth trying
> - on Linux - that I'm missing?

emacs/gnus.

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#74804

memilanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Guess where I'm going with this is... is there anything out there worth 
> trying - on Linux - that I'm missing?
> 
If slrn was a maybe then there's also tin for text mode news readers,
it's what I have always used.  I don't know what it does with HTML as
none of the groups I frequent ever have any HTML in them.

It does add one 'GUIness' to its text mode, it's mouse aware so you
can click on messages in a list to open them.

-- 
Chris Green
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#74866

On 2014-07-19, cl@isbd.net <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
> memilanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Guess where I'm going with this is... is there anything out there worth 
>> trying - on Linux - that I'm missing?
>> 
> If slrn was a maybe then there's also tin for text mode news readers,
> it's what I have always used.  I don't know what it does with HTML as
> none of the groups I frequent ever have any HTML in them.
>
> It does add one 'GUIness' to its text mode, it's mouse aware so you
> can click on messages in a list to open them.

slrn does have that option as well... just needs turned on (its off by
default) in the config file.  I seem to recall it not working so hot...
but I tried it on a link in a post last night and it worked like a
peach.

For whatever reason I never really tried tin (or trn).  I might have to
give them a whirl... though I must say that using slrn seems kind of
like riding a bicycle... my fingers apparently remember more than my
brain does ;)

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#74869 — Re: OT: usenet reader software

On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Monte Milanuk <memilanuk@invalid.com> wrote:
> For whatever reason I never really tried tin (or trn).  I might have to
> give them a whirl... though I must say that using slrn seems kind of
> like riding a bicycle... my fingers apparently remember more than my
> brain does ;)

Heh, totally. I go back to an old game for some reason, and my fingers
know exactly what the Quick Save key is. My brain knows that there are
function keys for quick save and quick load in a lot of programs, but
is never sure which is which (and it'd be pretty bad to hit the wrong
one)... but my fingers always get it right. F1 and F4 for American
McGee's Alice, and F9 and F10 for Captain Bible... F6 in C&C Renegade
(that one's easy, there's no quick load)... Ctrl-X in Angband,
although that doesn't quite count... yep, my fingers know them a lot
better than my brain does.

ChrisA

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#74904 — Re: OT: usenet reader software

On 2014-07-20, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>  Ctrl-X in Angband,

Ah-HAH!  I've been trying to remember what the name was of an old CLI
game that I used to play via a dialup ssh connection (using PuTTY) to a
Panix.com account (they ran on NetBSD).  Screen was my friend due to
dropped connections, and I eventually moved from pine/pico to
mutt/slrn/vim/bitchx (though to be honest I never warmed up to mutt all that
much) until I got a Mac (OS X) and then later started dual-booting my
PCs with Linux.  Angband was the name of the game I played back then... sweet!

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#74905 — Re: OT: usenet reader software

On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Monte Milanuk <memilanuk@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 2014-07-20, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  Ctrl-X in Angband,
>
> Ah-HAH!  I've been trying to remember what the name was of an old CLI
> game that I used to play via a dialup ssh connection (using PuTTY) to a
> Panix.com account (they ran on NetBSD).  Screen was my friend due to
> dropped connections, and I eventually moved from pine/pico to
> mutt/slrn/vim/bitchx (though to be honest I never warmed up to mutt all that
> much) until I got a Mac (OS X) and then later started dual-booting my
> PCs with Linux.  Angband was the name of the game I played back then... sweet!

Heh. I still have, sitting around, a modified Angband - which I did
before I knew about source control, so it'd be a bit of a pain to try
to rebase my changes onto a newer build. It has a whole lot of UI
improvements, a new character class, a few new races (they're easy), a
new gear slot, racial abilities, and a bunch of smaller features that
don't come to mind right now. I should clean it up and throw it onto
Github or something.

ChrisA

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#74997

memilanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> writes:

> I'm on Ubuntu (14.04 LTS, if it matters) and I've been using
> Thunderbird for a loooong time... I've tinkered with slrn off and on
> over the years, tried pan occasionally due to recommendations... but I
> keep ending up back @ Thunderbird.  About the only thing it doesn't do
> that I really want is scoring/kill-files.  

I always thought Thuderbird was a lost cause especially with News but it
has some serious issues as a mail client too. Probably part of the
reason why it never caught on and development stopped. Pretty good and
nice to have a cross platform thing but they kept it an island, unable
to sync contacts to anything else. Well, the Mac version could at least
use the Mac addressbook but on Windows and Linux it's just WTF.

> Slrn has those, and I do use vim on occasion so that worked well
> enough... but when people *do* post links or html it didn't handle
> that stuff gracefully like Thunderbird.

I don't really know about about html and slrn since I don't see much of
it but links in a terminal application is usually something for the
terminal to handle. I run Gnus on a remote machine and use a local
terminal for display, Konsole in Linux and mintty in Windows. In both of
those terminals URLs are opened with a right click on the link and
selecting open link from the menu that pops up.

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#75012

On 7/22/2014 11:14 AM, Anssi Saari wrote:
> I don't really know about about html and slrn since I don't see much of
> it but links in a terminal application is usually something for the
> terminal to handle. I run Gnus on a remote machine and use a local
> terminal for display, Konsole in Linux and mintty in Windows. In both of
> those terminals URLs are opened with a right click on the link and
> selecting open link from the menu that pops up.

That is correct and the way slrn works. You set browser and/or 
guibrowser options in .slrnrc. With those set, SHIFT-G will troll an 
open message for web addresses, and you use up and down arrow to select 
the link you want from the generated list. Then it launches the browser 
you configured.

Getting the escaping, path, and syntax of the browser setting correct 
was a pain, but after that it worked great.

That said, I got tired of the inability to display most special 
characters correctly (slrn could only do as well the cmd.exe), and have 
switched to Thunderbird.

-- 
Neil Cerutti

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#75008

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#75021

On 2014-07-22, ismeal shanshi <stuffstorehouse2014@gmail.com> wrote:
> Herion,,Actavis promethazine codeine 16oz and 32oz available Ketamine Oxycontine Hydrocodone xanax and medicated marijuana US- free shipping and other related products for sell at competitive prices.We do world wide shipping to any clear 
>
> address.Delivery is 100% safe due to our discreetness and experience.Try our quality and experience then have a story to tell 
>
> another day.
>
> Email Address:stuffstorehouse2014 (AT) gmail.com
> CONTACT NUMBER: (407)-4852249 ***** Pleas text me only

Aaaannnd here we have a good example of why it would be really nice to
be able to filter/score based on the message *body*, not just the
headers. 8(

-- 
All right, breaks over.  Back on your heads! ;)

Reach me @ memilanuk at gmail dot com

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#75022

On 2014-07-22, Monte Milanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2014-07-22, ismeal shanshi <stuffstorehouse2014@gmail.com> wrote:
> [drugs for sale]

> Aaaannnd here we have a good example of why it would be really nice
> to be able to filter/score based on the message *body*, not just the
> headers. 8(

slrn filtered that out just fine based on headers alone, thank you.

So, I didn't see it at all until you quoted the whole thing.

Here's the relevent slrn scoring rule:

Score:: =-9999
   Message-ID: .*googlegroups.com
 
-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! Did I say I was
                                  at               a sardine?  Or a bus???
                              gmail.com            

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#75024

On 2014-07-22, Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 2014-07-22, Monte Milanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-07-22, ismeal shanshi <stuffstorehouse2014@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [drugs for sale]
>
>> Aaaannnd here we have a good example of why it would be really nice
>> to be able to filter/score based on the message *body*, not just the
>> headers. 8(
>
> slrn filtered that out just fine based on headers alone, thank you.
>
> So, I didn't see it at all until you quoted the whole thing.
>
> Here's the relevent slrn scoring rule:
>
> Score:: =-9999
>    Message-ID: .*googlegroups.com
>  

True... but what if I don't want to be quite that elitist and black-ball
every one posting via google groups?  Some mailing lists I read via
gmane *originate* on google groups (web2py list, for one).  Other people
posting from google groups are not malicious/trolls/jerks/spammers - and
honestly until I started using slrn again, I didn't understand what all
the fuss was about - gui news readers like Thunderbird handle the
messages from there just fine.  

Maybe slrn needs an upgrade to gracefully handle html formatted messages 
- good bad or otherwise, they're pretty much here to stay, kind of like 
google groups.  There are programs like lynx, elinks, etc. that can 
handle simple html via a cli program... so its not entirely beyond the 
realm of possibility.


-- 
All right, breaks over.  Back on your heads! ;)

Reach me @ memilanuk at gmail dot com

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#75029

On 2014-07-22, Monte Milanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2014-07-22, Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2014-07-22, Monte Milanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-07-22, ismeal shanshi <stuffstorehouse2014@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> [drugs for sale]
>>
>>> Aaaannnd here we have a good example of why it would be really nice
>>> to be able to filter/score based on the message *body*, not just the
>>> headers. 8(
>>
>> slrn filtered that out just fine based on headers alone, thank you.
>>
>> So, I didn't see it at all until you quoted the whole thing.
>>
>> Here's the relevent slrn scoring rule:
>>
>> Score:: =-9999
>>    Message-ID: .*googlegroups.com
>>  
>
> True... but what if I don't want to be quite that elitist and black-ball
> every one posting via google groups?  Some mailing lists I read via
> gmane *originate* on google groups (web2py list, for one).

There are one or two mailing lists that originate on GG, and I don't
apply the rule to those lists.

> Other people posting from google groups are not
> malicious/trolls/jerks/spammers -

True.  But if they persist in posting via  a well-known span-conduit
that's also famous for various other breakages, then I don't see how
they can be too surprised that not everybody sees their posts.

I occasionally disable that rule, and it's never seemed like I was
missing anything valuable.

> Maybe slrn needs an upgrade to gracefully handle html formatted messages 
> - good bad or otherwise, they're pretty much here to stay, kind of like 
> google groups.  There are programs like lynx, elinks, etc. that can 
> handle simple html via a cli program... so its not entirely beyond the 
> realm of possibility.

Even if they were nicely formatted, I'd still probably plonk GG posts
just to avoid the garbage.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! An Italian is COMBING
                                  at               his hair in suburban DES
                              gmail.com            MOINES!

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#75025 — Re: OT: usenet reader software

On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 7:21 AM, Monte Milanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Other people
> posting from google groups are not malicious/trolls/jerks/spammers - and
> honestly until I started using slrn again, I didn't understand what all
> the fuss was about - gui news readers like Thunderbird handle the
> messages from there just fine.

Look at what happens when GG people reply to messages without
explicitly fixing the quoted text. It comes out all double-spaced.
That's not malice on their part, but eventually, some people just get
sick of it and blacklist all those posts, because it's just not worth
digging through the junk.

ChrisA

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#75109 — Re: OT: usenet reader software

Monte Milanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> wrote:

> Aaaannnd here we have a good example of why it would be really nice to
> be able to filter/score based on the message *body*, not just the
> headers. 8(

Actually, here we have the reason why Usenet died.

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#75136 — Re: OT: usenet reader software

Sturla Molden <sturla.molden@gmail.com> wrote:
> Monte Milanuk <memilanuk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Aaaannnd here we have a good example of why it would be really nice to
> > be able to filter/score based on the message *body*, not just the
> > headers. 8(
> 
> Actually, here we have the reason why Usenet died.
> 
... and the alternatives have the ability to "filter/score based on
the message body" do they?  :-)

-- 
Chris Green
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