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  I am stuck on OOP Nicholas Cannon <nicholascannon1@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 04:40 -0700
    Re: I am stuck on OOP Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 08:12 -0400
    Re: I am stuck on OOP Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 14:37 +0200
      Re: I am stuck on OOP Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-18 18:32 +0000
        Re: I am stuck on OOP Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 20:45 +0200
        Re: I am stuck on OOP Sibylle Koczian <nulla.epistola@web.de> - 2014-07-19 17:44 +0200
        Re: I am stuck on OOP Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 18:36 +0200
        Re: I am stuck on OOP Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 02:48 +1000

#74738 — I am stuck on OOP

Just quickly i am quite stuck on OOP and i really need like a good video and i cant find any. If anyone knows any please link it i really need it because i know OOP is important.

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On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Nicholas Cannon <nicholascannon1@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Just quickly i am quite stuck on OOP and i really need like a good video
> and i cant find any. If anyone knows any please link it i really need it
> because i know OOP is important.
> --
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That's odd.  I just googled with this string: "python oop tutorial".  I
found enough information to keep me busy all day.

-- 
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com

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#74742

On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Nicholas Cannon
<nicholascannon1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just quickly i am quite stuck on OOP and i really need like a good video and i cant find any. If anyone knows any please link it i really need it because i know OOP is important.

> video

There’s your problem: video tutorials are the most evil invention of
the human race.  It’s hard to learn from them.  You should not watch
any — use text tutorials instead.

-- 
Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <http://chriswarrick.com/>
PGP: 5EAAEA16
stop html mail | always bottom-post | only UTF-8 makes sense

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#74763

On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:37:47 +0200, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Nicholas Cannon
> <nicholascannon1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Just quickly i am quite stuck on OOP and i really need like a good
>> video and i cant find any. If anyone knows any please link it i really
>> need it because i know OOP is important.
> 
>> video
> 
> There’s your problem: video tutorials are the most evil invention of the
> human race.  It’s hard to learn from them.  You should not watch any —
> use text tutorials instead.

Oh, I think that's a bit harsh. I would normally agree with you about 
text being better than video, but I watched a video explaining git and it 
made much more sense than anything I've read.



-- 
Steven

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On Jul 18, 2014 8:36 PM, "Steven D'Aprano" <
steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> I would normally agree with you about
> text being better than video, but I watched a video explaining git and it
> made much more sense than anything I've read.

Yes, exceptions do exist. But most video tutorials are produced by people
without enough knowledge, and people that should not be working on
educational material. This is especially visible in videos about basic
things: they can be produced by just about anyone with a microphone — which
never leads to anything good. (In order to be more precise, I'd have to be
politically incorrect.)

-- 
Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <http://chriswarrick.com/>
Sent from my SGS3.

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#74818

Am 18.07.2014 20:45, schrieb Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick:
> Yes, exceptions do exist. But most video tutorials are produced by
> people without enough knowledge, and people that should not be working
> on educational material. This is especially visible in videos about
> basic things: they can be produced by just about anyone with a
> microphone — which never leads to anything good. (In order to be more
> precise, I'd have to be politically incorrect.)
>

Moreover people knowing enough about the subject and being able to 
explain it really well won't necessarily speak clearly. And spoken 
English is so far away from the written version anyway that it's simply 
a pain for everybody with another first language. Much worse than 
learning Python 3 with a version 2 tutorial or vice versa.

Greetings
Sibylle

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#74821

On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Sibylle Koczian <nulla.epistola@web.de> wrote:
> Am 18.07.2014 20:45, schrieb Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick:
>
>> Yes, exceptions do exist. But most video tutorials are produced by
>> people without enough knowledge, and people that should not be working
>> on educational material. This is especially visible in videos about
>> basic things: they can be produced by just about anyone with a
>> microphone — which never leads to anything good. (In order to be more
>> precise, I'd have to be politically incorrect.)
>>
>
> Moreover people knowing enough about the subject and being able to explain
> it really well won't necessarily speak clearly. And spoken English is so far
> away from the written version anyway that it's simply a pain for everybody
> with another first language.

Depends on the person.  I’m perfectly fine with spoken English (as
long at it isn’t produced by Asians and other badly-speaking people),
and it’s not my mother tongue.

-- 
Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <http://chriswarrick.com/>
PGP: 5EAAEA16
stop html mail | always bottom-post | only UTF-8 makes sense

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#74822

On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:36 AM, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick
<kwpolska@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Sibylle Koczian <nulla.epistola@web.de> wrote:
>> Am 18.07.2014 20:45, schrieb Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick:
>>
>>> Yes, exceptions do exist. But most video tutorials are produced by
>>> people without enough knowledge, and people that should not be working
>>> on educational material. This is especially visible in videos about
>>> basic things: they can be produced by just about anyone with a
>>> microphone — which never leads to anything good. (In order to be more
>>> precise, I'd have to be politically incorrect.)
>>>
>>
>> Moreover people knowing enough about the subject and being able to explain
>> it really well won't necessarily speak clearly. And spoken English is so far
>> away from the written version anyway that it's simply a pain for everybody
>> with another first language.
>
> Depends on the person.  I’m perfectly fine with spoken English (as
> long at it isn’t produced by Asians and other badly-speaking people),
> and it’s not my mother tongue.

My main issue with spoken (as opposed to written) English is that it
becomes so fundamentally linear. You can't skim a podcast and then
read in detail the parts you want; it's fiddly to go back and reread
something; and it's extremely fiddly to go back and re*write*
something, so a lot of errors slip through. (Imagine if you had to
type python-list posts without any cursor movement or backspace
functionality, but you could go back and retype any one paragraph from
scratch. I posit you would leave the odd typo in there, because it's
just not worth the effort of fixing it.) Of course, its linearity is a
feature for a lot of people, who tend to skim things poorly and not
properly learn, but when they're forced to concentrate on what's being
fed to them right this second and not worry about the rest, they can
comprehend it better; but if you can properly grok a wall of text,
that's usually going to be more efficient.

ChrisA

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