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| Started by | Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2014-05-28 14:23 -0500 |
| Last post | 2014-05-31 09:28 -0800 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 324 — 57 participants |
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Python 3 is killing Python Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 14:23 -0500
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2014-05-28 21:39 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-28 22:41 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 12:49 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 14:58 -0500
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-05-29 03:49 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 21:23 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-05-29 06:38 -0500
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-05-29 06:15 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-28 21:24 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-05-28 23:14 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 15:12 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2014-07-14 23:37 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-14 23:47 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 18:00 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 11:18 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 09:28 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 18:54 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 12:11 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 21:18 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 14:40 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Martin S <shieldfire@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 06:31 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-15 05:41 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Tim Roberts <timr@probo.com> - 2014-07-16 20:18 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 22:15 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-07-17 17:36 +1200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 15:45 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 15:45 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 08:05 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-07-15 12:30 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 00:59 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-07-15 12:19 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-15 15:50 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-07-15 17:38 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-15 18:23 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 16:35 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ben Finney <ben@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-05-29 08:38 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 16:22 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python beliavsky@aol.com - 2014-08-06 06:47 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-08-06 14:42 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-07 12:42 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-07 13:37 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-08-07 21:07 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-05-28 21:57 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2014-05-31 12:07 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2014-05-31 13:09 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Stefan Behnel <stefan_ml@behnel.de> - 2014-05-31 13:22 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2014-06-01 04:57 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 13:35 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-05-31 21:11 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2014-06-01 13:38 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2014-06-01 07:01 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-06-01 07:52 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2014-06-01 13:41 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-06-01 12:53 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-06-01 17:21 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2014-06-02 07:14 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-05-31 12:30 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-05-31 08:48 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 09:01 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-06-02 16:15 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-06-02 12:21 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-06-03 02:30 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-06-02 16:52 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2014-06-02 19:16 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 11:53 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-06-02 18:59 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-06-02 23:12 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 23:30 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-06-03 09:03 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-06-03 07:22 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 21:58 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-15 00:23 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 08:31 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 21:47 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 14:20 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Fabien <fabien.maussion@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 14:17 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 23:00 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2014-07-15 09:57 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 00:31 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-15 20:38 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-15 19:06 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-15 23:01 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 03:51 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 14:20 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 07:33 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 08:52 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 16:26 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 09:44 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 16:50 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-16 00:11 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 07:49 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 18:44 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 11:35 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 21:54 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 13:46 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 12:10 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 22:55 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-16 06:10 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 16:11 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-16 06:22 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 00:04 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 17:39 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 01:23 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 18:48 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 02:07 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 19:20 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 02:51 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 13:15 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-17 12:27 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-07-17 07:18 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 07:49 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-07-30 14:31 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-16 17:02 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-16 18:47 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-07-16 16:27 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 15:41 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 00:00 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 18:16 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 03:14 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 08:17 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:49 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 20:34 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-18 14:17 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 13:20 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 23:54 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 03:16 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 21:47 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Fabien <fabien.maussion@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 12:12 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 21:12 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 11:15 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 04:27 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-17 21:44 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 19:24 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:39 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 21:40 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-18 08:24 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 08:34 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-18 14:19 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 08:35 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> - 2014-07-18 17:25 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-18 19:45 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 20:06 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Emile van Sebille <emile@fenx.com> - 2014-07-17 12:22 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 21:37 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-17 17:30 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-17 20:13 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-18 18:38 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 01:26 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:54 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Andrew Berg <aberg010@my.hennepintech.edu> - 2014-07-17 19:45 -0500
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 13:01 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 16:45 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:15 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 20:37 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 15:34 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 02:21 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 18:27 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-18 16:46 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 16:49 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 16:50 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 17:22 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-18 21:27 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-18 21:21 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 09:29 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 02:41 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 12:00 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 13:39 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 09:13 +1000
Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-19 16:45 -0400
Re: Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 18:31 -0700
Re: Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 11:42 +1000
Re: Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-20 12:40 +0100
Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-20 17:52 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 18:22 -0700
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 11:32 +1000
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-20 23:49 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 10:55 +1000
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-20 23:28 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 13:34 +1000
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-21 05:00 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-21 13:00 -0700
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 20:56 +1000
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-21 14:30 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 04:35 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 15:50 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-19 19:23 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 09:10 +1000
Re: Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-21 02:54 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 08:24 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-18 18:20 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 19:31 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-18 20:44 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 14:37 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-07-18 18:09 -0400
Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-19 07:28 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> - 2014-07-19 11:08 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-19 14:31 -0400
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-20 01:23 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 11:39 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> - 2014-07-19 18:53 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] CHIN Dihedral <dihedral88888@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 08:37 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 14:18 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 07:50 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 09:19 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 10:41 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> - 2014-07-19 18:24 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] TP <wingusr@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 19:03 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> - 2014-07-19 20:10 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-01 13:10 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 21:22 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-01 15:19 +0300
Re: Python and IDEs Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 22:30 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-01 23:10 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 23:30 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-01 18:13 +0300
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-06 14:38 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-06 22:51 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-11 11:08 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Nicholas Cole <nicholas.cole@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 15:28 +0100
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-06 14:47 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-07 13:32 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-11 11:08 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-08-11 09:37 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-11 20:20 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-11 14:45 +0100
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-11 18:42 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-12 10:11 +1000
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Re: Quoting and attribution (was: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python]) Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-12 02:07 +0000
Re: Quoting and attribution (was: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python]) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-12 12:13 +1000
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Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-13 12:42 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-13 23:35 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-13 16:51 +0100
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Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Dietmar Schwertberger <maillist@schwertberger.de> - 2014-08-01 19:16 +0200
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Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-11 18:39 +0000
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Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 10:20 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-08-02 23:33 +1200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 23:01 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-08-03 12:01 +1200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-03 11:12 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-08-02 14:55 +0100
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-08-03 12:04 +1200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Dietmar Schwertberger <maillist@schwertberger.de> - 2014-08-03 09:46 +0200
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Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-08-03 12:20 +1200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 09:48 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-05 13:29 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-06 02:50 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-05 19:25 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] TP <wingusr@gmail.com> - 2014-08-05 14:28 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-18 19:26 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2014-08-03 21:21 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 01:18 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Javier <nospam@nospam.com> - 2014-07-16 17:33 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 11:50 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 03:33 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 04:25 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python "Neil D. Cerutti" <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2014-07-16 11:48 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-16 18:34 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-07-17 08:31 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 16:41 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-07-17 09:09 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 17:59 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Glenn Linderman <v+python@g.nevcal.com> - 2014-08-01 23:18 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 21:24 +0100
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Re: Python 3 is killing Python Abhiram R <abhi.darkness@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 03:07 +0530
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 02:08 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Abhiram R <abhi.darkness@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 03:05 +0530
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 22:49 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Abhiram R <abhi.darkness@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 03:43 +0530
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Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 16:53 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-16 02:57 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Tim Roberts <timr@probo.com> - 2014-07-16 20:20 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 13:38 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Abhiram R <abhi.darkness@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 09:07 +0530
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-16 09:18 +0100
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Re: Python 3 is killing Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-16 13:59 +0000
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-07-17 08:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.11921.1405581446.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74599 |
On 17/07/2014 04:14, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 18:16:16 -0700, Rick Johnson wrote: > >> On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:00:16 PM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: >>> I'm not aware of any mass exodus from core Python 3 to the fork that >>> has consistently proposed to give the world Python 2.8. Do you know >>> something that I don't? >> >> Well, currently at least, we don't even *need* a Python 2.8, not for the >> next couple of years anyway. > > There will never be a Python 2.8. When push comes to shove, the people > bitching about Python 3 will not do the work necessary to fork Python 2.7 > and make a version 2.8. > Actually I like the logic behind 2.8. "We've only had eight years to port our code to Python 3. That's not been long enough. So to work around the situation we'll throw all of our miniscule resources into forking Python to solve all of the problems that Python has created for us". Where is Walter Mitty when you need him? -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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| From | alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-18 12:49 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <lqa1v0$nkp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #74599 |
On 17/07/2014 1:14 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > There will never be a Python 2.8. When push comes to shove, the people > bitching about Python 3 will not do the work necessary to fork Python 2.7 > and make a version 2.8. +1 The idea that forking and maintaining Python 2.8 is somehow _less effort_ than porting code to Python 3.x is batshit crazy. The Py2.8 claims seem to me to be nothing more than a shallow attempt to blackmail the core devs.
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| From | Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-17 20:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.11980.1405654468.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74715 |
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 7:49 PM, alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> wrote: > On 17/07/2014 1:14 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> >> There will never be a Python 2.8. When push comes to shove, the people >> bitching about Python 3 will not do the work necessary to fork Python 2.7 >> and make a version 2.8. > > > +1 > > The idea that forking and maintaining Python 2.8 is somehow _less effort_ > than porting code to Python 3.x is batshit crazy. Probably. I'd say that if anything kills Python, it'll be the people who are afraid of a small dose of positive change.
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| From | Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-07-18 14:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lqba8v$7co$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #74715 |
On 2014-07-18, alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 17/07/2014 1:14 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> There will never be a Python 2.8. When push comes to shove, the people
>> bitching about Python 3 will not do the work necessary to fork Python 2.7
>> and make a version 2.8.
>
> +1
>
> The idea that forking and maintaining Python 2.8 is somehow _less
> effort_ than porting code to Python 3.x is batshit crazy. The Py2.8
> claims seem to me to be nothing more than a shallow attempt to blackmail
> the core devs.
IMO, it's not even a credible "threat". It's more like idle whinging
from people whom if given a brand new free BMW with lifetime
maintenance, gasoline, insurance, taxes and registration paid (and a
garage to keep it in) would bitch about the color of the interior.
--
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! I'm pretending that
at we're all watching PHIL
gmail.com SILVERS instead of RICARDO
MONTALBAN!
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-17 13:20 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.11907.1405567259.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74596 |
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> wrote: > But i think that when the time arrives, the "someone", or > "some entity" will inevitably decide that, whilst Python2.x > was the best high level language available to date, it has > many flaws that cannot be worked around "cleanly", so > instead of continuing on with Python "as-is", we should take > all the good ideas of Python, plus all the good ideas of > Ruby, plus few good ideas in Perl, Javascript, etc... and > create a *whole* new language that will supersede them all. > > BECAUSE REMEMBER, EVOLUTION IS A GOOD THING! Let 'em. If you believe evolution is such a good thing, you're most welcome to arrange it. Personally, I believe that *guided development* is a good thing, and whaddayaknow, that's exactly what we have here from GvR and from the python-dev team. Proper development of a large or small project requires an intelligent person with a hand on the tiller, not randomly undirected additions (or, perhaps not "undirected" so much as "directed by every single whining mailing list post" - which is the same thing, really); someone needs to decide which ideas are good and which are bad. Undirected evolution is destructive. Directed cultivation is constructive. ChrisA
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2014-07-17 23:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.11967.1405637715.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74596 |
On 17/07/2014 02:16, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:00:16 PM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: > >> Further the number of people assisting on the bug tracker >> at the moment appears to me to be going up, not down. It >> therefore strikes me that Python is extremely tenable, >> thus indicating that people are not falling for the FUD >> about Python 2 versus Python 3. > > Again, your "metrics", are tainted. I believe the spike in > bug reports has less to do with: Where did I say anything about a spike in bug reports? There are a large number of open reports, but a backlog built up as the core developers were at one point having to commit changes to five different versions. Design work is being done to simplify this process and hence free up core developers' time. It will take time but in a year or three I expect to see the number of open bugs dropping considerably. > > "New community members jumping in to help" The above is true, greatly helped by the core mentorship mailing list. > > And more to do with: > > "Damn, this Python3 is buggy and i need to tell someone > so i can get my customers off my back and this egg off > my face, lest my feet move faster than Fred Flintstone!" > Wrong, e.g. there were far more bug reports about encode or decode errors in Python 2 than we (the Python community) see for Python 3. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-07-17 03:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <53c73ff0$0$29897$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #74592 |
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 15:41:38 -0700, Rick Johnson wrote: > I personally know of few major software developers, who whilst > "shopping" for a scripting language for their API, wanted to integrate > Python because of it's clean syntax and auto-encapsulation, but they > where forced to choose *another* language because of all the headaches > that backwards incompatibility of Python 3000 would induce in the users > of the API. Oh Really? I call bullshit. Name names. Name projects. If they are "shopping" for a scripting language, that means they don't have one yet. Which means their users have no existing scripts that need to be ported from Python 2 to 3. Whatever language is chosen, whether it is Ruby, Lua, Python 3 or something else, its all equally as new. -- Steven
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| From | Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-07-16 21:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9ef930a0-5a41-4a20-a13a-003c9e8246fe@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #74601 |
On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 10:16:00 PM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> If they are "shopping" for a scripting language, that
> means they don't have one yet. Which means their users
> have no existing scripts that need to be ported from
> Python 2 to 3. Whatever language is chosen, whether it is
> Ruby, Lua, Python 3 or something else, its all equally as
> new.
Sometimes, when we become proficient in an area of
expertise, we forget about all the stumbling blocks that
impede the neophytes -- which explains your befuddlement!
Even though i will freely admit that Python is the easiest
language to learn (IMHO), and more so because GvR did not
allow TIM-TOWDI to run rampant, Python2 already had many
stumbling blocks (new classes vs old classes crap!), but
Python3 exacerbated the problem by interjecting many, *MANY*
more stumbling blocks!
You and i don't use "print", and especially not "input" all
that much, but both of these (types of) functions are
*VITAL* lifelines for the noob when learning a language!
Not to mention the issues of looking at the wrong "version"
of a tutorial when using the "other" version of Python.
Again, you and i won't make these mistakes, but a noob will!
Look, Python has gone from:
"A noob friendly language"
to:
"A Noobie subtle bug hell!".
And since not all APIs are intended for "professional
programmers", choosing a language that is easy to learn, but
also, not "overly confusing" and "easy to misuse", is vital!
You cannot expect, say: "audio and video" people, to be
"professional programmers" -- who know all the "do's" and
"don'ts" of a dozen or so different languages and have
degrees in computer science and extensive knowledge of
algorithmic and logic theories!
They are just people who need to automate this or that task,
or create a functionality that does not exist via the GUI
interface, and as such, they should *NOT* need to be
burdened with the pitfalls of a backwards compatibility and
fractured community nightmare!
NO THANKS PYTHON, WE WANT OUR USERS TO BE "PRODUCTIVE"!
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| From | Fabien <fabien.maussion@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-07-17 12:12 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lq87i5$3ae$5@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #74614 |
On 17.07.2014 06:47, Rick Johnson wrote:> Even though i will freely admit that Python is the easiest > language to learn (IMHO) For non-informatic students (i.e the vast majority of science/engineering students) I don't think that's true. Less general languages like Matlab appear much easier to me: unified doc, unified IDE, unified debugger, you can spend years without being confronted to what an "object" is, etc. > You and i don't use "print", and especially not "input" all > that much, but both of these (types of) functions are > *VITAL* lifelines for the noob when learning a language! Some argue that making print() working like all other python functions make it more consistent. Here for example: http://tinyurl.com/o2oxp9m > Not to mention the issues of looking at the wrong "version" > of a tutorial when using the "other" version of Python. > Again, you and i won't make these mistakes, but a noob will! It happened to me quite often that interesting tutorials where available in py2 only, despite the fact that all the concerned libraries were ported to py3 long ago. But on the other hand, this is not python specific. Forums keep track of all questions/answers and some very old threads remain highly visible in the search results, making new users reinvent the wheel all the time. Everyone should be able to decide if the information found on blogs, forums or even newspapers is up-to-date or not. Fab
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-07-17 21:12 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.11923.1405595549.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74632 |
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Fabien <fabien.maussion@gmail.com> wrote: > On 17.07.2014 06:47, Rick Johnson wrote:> Even though i will freely admit > that Python is the easiest >> language to learn (IMHO) > > For non-informatic students (i.e the vast majority of science/engineering > students) I don't think that's true. Less general languages like Matlab > appear much easier to me: unified doc, unified IDE, unified debugger, you > can spend years without being confronted to what an "object" is, etc. That's always going to be true. If you have mathematical experience, you'll be much more comfortable with a math-specific setup than with a general programming environment. But for general programming, the IDE isn't that much help, and the math-specific language is going to get in the way. This is why there are so many different environments to choose from; if you want something that makes it really easy to put a Windows GUI program together, you probably grab one of the Microsoft tools, but if you want something that lets you run your program on any platform and still have a usable GUI, you want something cross-platform (tkinter, GTK, wx, Qt). This is not a problem with Python; it's simply how the world works. ChrisA
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| From | Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-17 11:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fe0e9719-3829-4d96-8a42-fcb0f30c4cdb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #74632 |
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 5:12:23 AM UTC-5, Fabien wrote: > For non-informatic students [...] I don't think that's true. > Less general languages like Matlab appear much easier to > me: unified doc, unified IDE, unified debugger I'll agree that the lack of a "quality" IDE in Python is a point of inadequacy. Sure, IDLE is not *useless*, however, it is in fact woefully inadequate and should be embarrassing to the whole community, both in it's buggy-ness and it's poorly written source code. I would love to see IDLE become a bit more "polished", because, i believe that even though the software is outdated and poorly structured , a simplistic *INTEGRATED* IDE can be very helpful for new Python programmers who have no prior programming experience. Sadly, all of my calls to improve IDLE have been meet with rebukes about me "whining". The "powers that be" would wise to *UTILIZE* and *ENCOURAGE* my participation instead of *IGNORING* valuable talent and *IMPEDING* the expansion of this "private boys club". > you can spend years without being confronted to what an > "object" is, etc. I believe one could eaisly ignore the OOP aspects of Pyhton for as long as they wished, maybe even forever? Python is a multi-paridigm language, and i'm quite happy with that fact > Some argue that making print() work like all other > python functions made it more consistent. Yes, and i agree! Print should have been a function from day one, however, i am not lamenting the "evolution" of "print", i am merely lamenting the confusion induced from backwards incompatibility between "new print" and "old print". > It happened to me quite often that interesting tutorials > where available in py2 only, despite the fact that all the > concerned libraries were ported to py3 long ago. But on > the other hand, this is not python specific. Forums keep > track of all questions/answers and some very old threads > remain highly visible in the search results, making new > users reinvent the wheel all the time. Everyone should be > able to decide if the information found on blogs, forums > or even newspapers is up-to-date or not. Really? Even noobies? The internet is a double edged sword (when used to learn any language) because although there is a vast wealth of information out there for just about any question a noob might have, if he does not phrase his google queries "just so", he is doomed to read information that is at beast confusing, and at worse just flat out lies. I wish "we", as members of internet communities, had some control over the vast amount of information lying around in the darkest corners of the web. Because, we cannot rely *solely* on our "official" tutorials to answer every question a noob may have. And since we cannot control the content of private sites, blogs, groups, etc..., our only remedy is some sort of "official filtered search engine" that will hide the outdated information, and expose only the most relevant and updated information for the version requested. A database where pythonistas can categorize and "up vote" or "down vote" the value of each piece of information. A sort of "Stack Overflow" of the entire set of Python related information violable on the web. Of course it would need to utilize some heavy crowd sourcing, but i believe something like this would be both beneficial and feasible.
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-18 04:27 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.11947.1405621651.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74663 |
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> wrote: > Sadly, all of my calls to improve IDLE have been meet with > rebukes about me "whining". The "powers that be" would wise > to *UTILIZE* and *ENCOURAGE* my participation instead of > *IGNORING* valuable talent and *IMPEDING* the expansion of > this "private boys club". Do you write patches, or just say "This is terrible. Aorta do summing about it."? [1] If you want something done, the best way is to do it. Simply telling someone else what to do is not "participation" which should be "encourage[d]", but is indeed likely to be whining. Oh, and when you talk about it like this, you make everyone absolutely sure that it really IS just whining. ChrisA [1] http://www.textfiles.com/humor/strine.txt
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| From | Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> |
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| Date | 2014-07-17 21:44 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <87ha2f25bv.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> |
| In reply to | #74663 |
Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com>: > Sure, IDLE is not *useless*, however, it is in fact woefully > inadequate and should be embarrassing to the whole community, both in > it's buggy-ness and it's poorly written source code. This is beneath trolling. Redeem yourself by apologizing. Marko
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| From | Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-17 19:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e2793f28-ce72-476e-aed7-0d907d1d6727@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #74670 |
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:44:20 PM UTC-5, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Rick Johnson : > > Sure, IDLE is not *useless*, however, it is in fact > > woefully inadequate and should be embarrassing to the > > whole community, both in it's buggy-ness and it's poorly > > written source code. > This is beneath trolling. Redeem yourself by apologizing. Apologize for what? For telling the truth? I have been using IDLE since around 2006, well at least, that is as far back as i remember. When i first learned Python, IDLE was my editor of choice, and i *STILL* use IDLE to this very day! -- although not as much as i have written my own IDE. I have logged thousands upon thousands of hours with IDLE, how many hours have *YOU* logged? I would even venture to say, and the comments on this list have supported my evidence for years, that i may be the *SOLE* heavy user of IDLE in the *ENTIRE* community. Although, i need to compare my stats with Terry because he claims to use the software quite often also. If *ANYBODY* in this damn community has a *RIGHT* to complain about IDLE, then *I* am that person. HOW DARE YOU chastise me for voicing my grievances regarding a software that *YOU* most likely have *NEVER*, or only *SLIGHTLY*, used!
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-18 12:39 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.11977.1405651158.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74712 |
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> wrote: > I would even venture to say, and the comments on this list > have supported my evidence for years, that i may be the > *SOLE* heavy user of IDLE in the *ENTIRE* community. > ... > > If *ANYBODY* in this damn community has a *RIGHT* to > complain about IDLE, then *I* am that person. HOW DARE YOU > chastise me for voicing my grievances regarding a > software that *YOU* most likely have *NEVER*, or only > *SLIGHTLY*, used! Even if it is true that you're the only *user* of IDLE (or Idle; Terry seems to spell it the latter way, I'm not sure what's the official recommendation now), that does not give you any right whatsoever to complain about it. There are two valid reasons for claiming a right to complain: 1) You are the primary *developer* of the system, and put in many hours of work actually making it happen; or 2) You have paid money to someone, paying them a reasonable hourly rate for the same sort of level of work. So I would say Terry has a right to complain. I certainly don't, even though it's my primary Windows Python interface (on Linux boxes, I usually use 'python' or 'python3' in a regular xfce4-terminal; I do use IDLE on Linux as well, but not as often and certainly not as my primary interface to Python). To me, IDLE is a gift; a freely-granted boon to my use of this language. It's a huge step up from REXXTry (or even EREXXTry, the 'extended' version that has decent command-line editing tools); due to limitations on the REXX 'INTERPRET' command, it's impossible to define functions interactively, and a few other things. (That said, though, EREXXTry was for over a decade my sole interactive interpreter for any language. It was either that or save something to a file and run it.) Do I whine and complain because my gift isn't absolutely perfect? No. I might *humbly* open a discussion, but it's with the attitude of "these people have given hugely of their time" rather than "these people have done something which is WRONG". ChrisA
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| From | Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-17 21:40 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.11981.1405654882.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74712 |
On 07/17/2014 08:24 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: > i *STILL* use IDLE > to this very day! -- although not as much as i have written > my own IDE. Maybe you should release it so we can make demands of you without bothering to contribute to it's development, either in code, or in bug reports.
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| From | Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> |
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| Date | 2014-07-18 08:24 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <87k37bz1b1.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> |
| In reply to | #74712 |
Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com>: > On Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:44:20 PM UTC-5, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> Rick Johnson : >> > Sure, IDLE is not *useless*, however, it is in fact woefully >> > inadequate and should be embarrassing to the whole community, both >> > in it's buggy-ness and it's poorly written source code. >> This is beneath trolling. Redeem yourself by apologizing. > > Apologize for what? > > For telling the truth? The truth has nothing to do about it. You just don't talk like that about somebody's labor of love. Marko
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2014-07-18 08:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.11987.1405668878.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74712 |
On 18/07/2014 03:24, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:44:20 PM UTC-5, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> Rick Johnson : >>> Sure, IDLE is not *useless*, however, it is in fact >>> woefully inadequate and should be embarrassing to the >>> whole community, both in it's buggy-ness and it's poorly >>> written source code. >> This is beneath trolling. Redeem yourself by apologizing. > > Apologize for what? > > For telling the truth? > > I have been using IDLE since around 2006, well at least, > that is as far back as i remember. When i first learned > Python, IDLE was my editor of choice, and i *STILL* use IDLE > to this very day! -- although not as much as i have written > my own IDE. > > I have logged thousands upon thousands of hours with IDLE, > how many hours have *YOU* logged? > > I would even venture to say, and the comments on this list > have supported my evidence for years, that i may be the > *SOLE* heavy user of IDLE in the *ENTIRE* community. > Although, i need to compare my stats with Terry because he > claims to use the software quite often also. > > If *ANYBODY* in this damn community has a *RIGHT* to > complain about IDLE, then *I* am that person. HOW DARE YOU > chastise me for voicing my grievances regarding a > software that *YOU* most likely have *NEVER*, or only > *SLIGHTLY*, used! > Please list for everybody to see the issue numbers that you've worked on, on IDLE, on the bug tracker. Thank you. I now routinely use IDLE as it has been so much improved due to the efforts of Terry & Co. You are conspicious by your absence. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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| From | Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-07-18 14:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lqbaef$7co$2@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #74712 |
On 2014-07-18, Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:44:20 PM UTC-5, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Rick Johnson :
>>> Sure, IDLE is not *useless*, however, it is in fact woefully
>>> inadequate and should be embarrassing to the whole community, both in
>>> it's buggy-ness and it's poorly written source code.
>> This is beneath trolling. Redeem yourself by apologizing.
>
> Apologize for what?
Oh dear. Where should we start...
> For telling the truth?
Possibly, yes. Truth is no excuse for being rude and insulting. I've
never used IDLE, so don't know much about it. But, I do know that a
decent, civilized person just doesn't make insulting comments like
that about somebody else's work even if it is true (which I very much
doubt).
--
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! If I am elected no one
at will ever have to do their
gmail.com laundry again!
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| From | Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-18 08:35 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12002.1405696744.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74749 |
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > But, I do know that a > decent, civilized person just doesn't make insulting comments like > that about somebody else's work even if it is true (which I very much > doubt). Now, _that's_ funny. This is the internet. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
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