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| Started by | Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2014-05-28 14:23 -0500 |
| Last post | 2014-05-31 09:28 -0800 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 324 — 57 participants |
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Python 3 is killing Python Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 14:23 -0500
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2014-05-28 21:39 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-28 22:41 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 12:49 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 14:58 -0500
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-05-29 03:49 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 21:23 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-05-29 06:38 -0500
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-05-29 06:15 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-28 21:24 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-05-28 23:14 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 15:12 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2014-07-14 23:37 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-14 23:47 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 18:00 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 11:18 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 09:28 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 18:54 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 12:11 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 21:18 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 14:40 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Martin S <shieldfire@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 06:31 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-15 05:41 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Tim Roberts <timr@probo.com> - 2014-07-16 20:18 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 22:15 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-07-17 17:36 +1200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 15:45 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 15:45 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 08:05 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-07-15 12:30 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 00:59 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-07-15 12:19 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-15 15:50 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-07-15 17:38 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-15 18:23 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 16:35 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ben Finney <ben@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-05-29 08:38 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 16:22 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python beliavsky@aol.com - 2014-08-06 06:47 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-08-06 14:42 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-07 12:42 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-07 13:37 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-08-07 21:07 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-05-28 21:57 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2014-05-31 12:07 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2014-05-31 13:09 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Stefan Behnel <stefan_ml@behnel.de> - 2014-05-31 13:22 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2014-06-01 04:57 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 13:35 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-05-31 21:11 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2014-06-01 13:38 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2014-06-01 07:01 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-06-01 07:52 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2014-06-01 13:41 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-06-01 12:53 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-06-01 17:21 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2014-06-02 07:14 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-05-31 12:30 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-05-31 08:48 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 09:01 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-06-02 16:15 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-06-02 12:21 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-06-03 02:30 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-06-02 16:52 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2014-06-02 19:16 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 11:53 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-06-02 18:59 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-06-02 23:12 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 23:30 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-06-03 09:03 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-06-03 07:22 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 21:58 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-15 00:23 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 08:31 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 21:47 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 14:20 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Fabien <fabien.maussion@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 14:17 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 23:00 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2014-07-15 09:57 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 00:31 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-15 20:38 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-15 19:06 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-15 23:01 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 03:51 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 14:20 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 07:33 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 08:52 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 16:26 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 09:44 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 16:50 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-16 00:11 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 07:49 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 18:44 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 11:35 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 21:54 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 13:46 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 12:10 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 22:55 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-16 06:10 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 16:11 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-16 06:22 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 00:04 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 17:39 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 01:23 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 18:48 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 02:07 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 19:20 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 02:51 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 13:15 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-17 12:27 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-07-17 07:18 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 07:49 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-07-30 14:31 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-16 17:02 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-16 18:47 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-07-16 16:27 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 15:41 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 00:00 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 18:16 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 03:14 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 08:17 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:49 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 20:34 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-18 14:17 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 13:20 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 23:54 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 03:16 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 21:47 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Fabien <fabien.maussion@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 12:12 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 21:12 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 11:15 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 04:27 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-17 21:44 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 19:24 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:39 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 21:40 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-18 08:24 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 08:34 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-18 14:19 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 08:35 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> - 2014-07-18 17:25 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-18 19:45 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 20:06 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Emile van Sebille <emile@fenx.com> - 2014-07-17 12:22 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 21:37 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-17 17:30 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-17 20:13 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-18 18:38 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 01:26 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:54 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Andrew Berg <aberg010@my.hennepintech.edu> - 2014-07-17 19:45 -0500
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 13:01 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 16:45 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:15 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 20:37 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 15:34 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 02:21 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 18:27 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-18 16:46 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 16:49 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 16:50 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 17:22 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-18 21:27 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-18 21:21 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 09:29 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 02:41 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 12:00 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 13:39 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 09:13 +1000
Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-19 16:45 -0400
Re: Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 18:31 -0700
Re: Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 11:42 +1000
Re: Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-20 12:40 +0100
Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-20 17:52 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 18:22 -0700
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 11:32 +1000
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-20 23:49 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 10:55 +1000
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-20 23:28 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 13:34 +1000
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-21 05:00 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-21 13:00 -0700
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 20:56 +1000
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-21 14:30 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 04:35 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 15:50 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-19 19:23 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 09:10 +1000
Re: Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-21 02:54 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 08:24 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-18 18:20 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 19:31 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-18 20:44 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 14:37 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-07-18 18:09 -0400
Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-19 07:28 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> - 2014-07-19 11:08 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-19 14:31 -0400
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-20 01:23 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 11:39 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> - 2014-07-19 18:53 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] CHIN Dihedral <dihedral88888@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 08:37 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 14:18 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 07:50 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 09:19 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 10:41 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> - 2014-07-19 18:24 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] TP <wingusr@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 19:03 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> - 2014-07-19 20:10 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-01 13:10 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 21:22 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-01 15:19 +0300
Re: Python and IDEs Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 22:30 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-01 23:10 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 23:30 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-01 18:13 +0300
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-06 14:38 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-06 22:51 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-11 11:08 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Nicholas Cole <nicholas.cole@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 15:28 +0100
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-06 14:47 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-07 13:32 +1000
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| From | Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-28 14:23 -0500 |
| Subject | Python 3 is killing Python |
| Message-ID | <mailman.10416.1401304999.18130.python-list@python.org> |
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Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether: https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/
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| From | Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> |
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| Date | 2014-05-28 21:39 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lm5e0t$2r2$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #72180 |
On 28.05.2014 21:23, Larry Martell wrote: > Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether: > > https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/ Sub-headline "The Python community should fork Python 2". Which could also read "Someone else should REALLY fork Py2 because I'm mad about Py3 yet too lazy to fork Py2 myself". I wish all these ridiculous dumb whiners would finally shut up and fork Python away. That would be win-win: They could use their fork of 2.4 forever and ever, maybe fork 1.4 too while they're at it. Then maintain it. Above all: They would complain to each other and stay away from the mailing lists of people who actually *embrace* progress and who appreciate the wonderful features Py3 has given us. What a wonderful world it would be. So, I agree with the above blogpost. Some lazy blogwriting bum should fork Py2! Cheers, Johannes -- >> Wo hattest Du das Beben nochmal GENAU vorhergesagt? > Zumindest nicht öffentlich! Ah, der neueste und bis heute genialste Streich unsere großen Kosmologen: Die Geheim-Vorhersage. - Karl Kaos über Rüdiger Thomas in dsa <hidbv3$om2$1@speranza.aioe.org>
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| From | Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> |
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| Date | 2014-05-28 22:41 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <871tvdelnh.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> |
| In reply to | #72180 |
I agree that Py3 made a grave error in breaking backward-compatibility. However, that's the reality and the transition will take place over time, possibly even before IPv6 overtakes IPv4 in popularity. But then, I was never really beholden to third-party libraries and frameworks. Instead, the batteries-included philosophy still has a great appeal to me. Marko
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-05-28 12:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7xha49wumw.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> |
| In reply to | #72180 |
Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> writes: > Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether: > [1]https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/ "Python 3 can revive Python" https://medium.com/p/2a7af4788b10 long HN comment thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7801834 "Python 3 is fine" http://sealedabstract.com/rants/python-3-is-fine/ OT: wow that medium site is obnoxious.
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| From | Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-28 14:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.10418.1401307093.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #72184 |
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On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote: > Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> writes: > > Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether: > > [1]https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/ > > "Python 3 can revive Python" https://medium.com/p/2a7af4788b10 > long HN comment thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7801834 > > "Python 3 is fine" http://sealedabstract.com/rants/python-3-is-fine/ > > OT: wow that medium site is obnoxious. > No company that I work for is using python 3 - they just have too much of an investment in a python 2 code base to switch. I'm just saying.
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> |
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| Date | 2014-05-29 03:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5386ae5d$0$11109$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #72185 |
On Wed, 28 May 2014 14:58:05 -0500, Larry Martell wrote: > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> > wrote: > >> Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> writes: >> > Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether: >> > [1]https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/ >> >> "Python 3 can revive Python" https://medium.com/p/2a7af4788b10 >> long HN comment thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7801834 >> >> "Python 3 is fine" http://sealedabstract.com/rants/python-3-is-fine/ >> >> OT: wow that medium site is obnoxious. >> >> > No company that I work for is using python 3 - they just have too much > of an investment in a python 2 code base to switch. I'm just saying. Is that Python 2 code base aimed at Python 2.7 or 2.6? Or 2.5? Or 2.4? Or even 2.3? Or all of the above? One of the most pernicious myths about this is that there is one single Python 2 ecosystem. There isn't. The company I work for is stuck with 2.6 for the foreseeable future, because that's the version of Python provided by the OS of choice. I recently migrated a client's code base from 2.3 to 2.6, and they will likely stay with 2.6 forever. And I know of at least one company who is using Python 1.5 (yes, 1.5) and have no plans to migrate. 1.5 works for them, and they apparently don't need or don't care about security updates, so why should they migrate? This is all good. If 2.x works for your application, and you don't care about all the awesome new features in 3.3+, don't care about bug fixes and security updates, and don't mind being stuck with a version of Python that will slowly but surely become more and more obsolete, more power to you. The Python core developers have recent committed to providing security updates for 2.7 until 2020. And Redhat have paid support for 2.7 until 2023. So there's no rush. But anyone who makes that decision to stay with 2.x forever is in the same position as those who stay with 1.5 forever. Eventually, you'll have no OS support, no vendor support, no security updates, no bug fixes, it will become harder and harder to find programmers who know that particular version of the language, and even harder to find third party libraries that support it, training new staff in the obsolete version will be hard because all the books and tutorials will be written for more recent versions... My prediction is: - over the next three or four years, there will be a steady trickle of people complaining about Python 3, slowly fading as more people move to Python 3; - when the main Linux distros start using Python 3 as their system Python, there will be a sudden rush of people to Python 3; - about six months before Python 2 drops out of free support, there will be a sudden flood of panicky cries for help from people who didn't bother making a *single* step towards migration over the previous ten years, and suddenly realise that they need to migrate yesterday. -- Steven
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-05-28 21:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7xlhtl2oxo.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> |
| In reply to | #72212 |
Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> writes: > The Python core developers have recent committed to providing security > updates for 2.7 until 2020. And Redhat have paid support for 2.7 until > 2023. So there's no rush. Perhaps Python 4 will be out by then and the Python 2 holdouts can skip over Python 3. > - over the next three or four years, there will be a steady trickle of > people complaining about Python 3, slowly fading as more people move to > Python 3; > - when the main Linux distros start using Python 3 as their system > Python, there will be a sudden rush of people to Python 3; This is more realistic--people don't explicitly switch but rather the stuff that comes with the OS changes.
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| From | Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-29 06:38 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.10447.1401363523.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #72212 |
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On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote: > On Wed, 28 May 2014 14:58:05 -0500, Larry Martell wrote: > > > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> > > wrote: > > > >> Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> writes: > >> > Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether: > >> > [1]https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/ > >> > >> "Python 3 can revive Python" https://medium.com/p/2a7af4788b10 > >> long HN comment thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7801834 > >> > >> "Python 3 is fine" http://sealedabstract.com/rants/python-3-is-fine/ > >> > >> OT: wow that medium site is obnoxious. > >> > >> > > No company that I work for is using python 3 - they just have too much > > of an investment in a python 2 code base to switch. I'm just saying. > > Is that Python 2 code base aimed at Python 2.7 or 2.6? Or 2.5? Or 2.4? Or > even 2.3? Or all of the above? > One company is using 2.5. Another has been using 2.6 but they are moving to 2.7 because it's required by a package they need. I think that will be the driving force for companies to upgrade.
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-29 06:15 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.10419.1401308152.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #72184 |
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> wrote: > No company that I work for is using python 3 - they just have too much of an > investment in a python 2 code base to switch. I'm just saying. And that's not a problem. Every whinging blog author seems to forget that Python 2.7 support is going to continue for a long time! Yes, you won't get new features. But the recommendation is "new and unfettered projects should take advantage of Python 3", not "every Python 2 project needs to be ported". There've been some recent discussions about exactly what security fixes and improvements can be backported; the underlying guiding principle is "it's acceptable and expected that there will be large, net-facing Python 2 applications for the foreseeable future". Or maybe the complaint is that there are fancy new features in Python 3.x that aren't in 2.7? Oh wait, that directly contradicts the whine. So if Python 3 has added nothing, what's the rush to move onto it? Whiners gonna whine. ChrisA
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2014-05-28 21:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.10420.1401308625.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #72184 |
On 28/05/2014 20:58, Larry Martell wrote: > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid > <mailto:no.email@nospam.invalid>> wrote: > > Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com > <mailto:larry.martell@gmail.com>> writes: > > Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether: > > [1]https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/ > > "Python 3 can revive Python" https://medium.com/p/2a7af4788b10 > long HN comment thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7801834 > > "Python 3 is fine" http://sealedabstract.com/rants/python-3-is-fine/ > > OT: wow that medium site is obnoxious. > > > No company that I work for is using python 3 - they just have too much > of an investment in a python 2 code base to switch. I'm just saying. > So you're happy because you've support until at least 2020, and the people using Python 3 are happy, mainly because of the vastly improved unicode handling via the FSR and asyncio in 3.4. Presumably the only unhappy people are those who keep bleating on about forking Python to produce a 2.8, or has work on this already started without my knowledge? -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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| From | wxjmfauth@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2014-05-28 23:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <06a5fce6-90f3-46c7-9b6f-101fadc9fc4e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #72188 |
Le mercredi 28 mai 2014 22:24:15 UTC+2, Mark Lawrence a écrit : > On 28/05/2014 20:58, Larry Martell wrote: > > > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid > > > <mailto:no.email@nospam.invalid>> wrote: > > > > > > Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com > > > <mailto:larry.martell@gmail.com>> writes: > > > > Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether: > > > > [1]https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/ > > > > > > "Python 3 can revive Python" https://medium.com/p/2a7af4788b10 > > > long HN comment thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7801834 > > > > > > "Python 3 is fine" http://sealedabstract.com/rants/python-3-is-fine/ > > > > > > OT: wow that medium site is obnoxious. > > > > > > > > > No company that I work for is using python 3 - they just have too much > > > of an investment in a python 2 code base to switch. I'm just saying. > > > > > > > So you're happy because you've support until at least 2020, and the > > people using Python 3 are happy, mainly because of the vastly improved > > unicode handling via the FSR and asyncio in 3.4. Presumably the only > > unhappy people are those who keep bleating on about forking Python to > > produce a 2.8, or has work on this already started without my knowledge? > > > > -- > > My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask > > what you can do for our language. > > > > Mark Lawrence > =========== Unicode: a reason to not use Python. jmf
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| From | Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 15:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f0df79b8-505c-4eab-8f43-d7d08d1a417b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #72188 |
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:15:45 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Larry Martell wrote:
> > No company that I work for is using python 3 - they just
> > have too much of an investment in a python 2 code base
> > to switch. I'm just saying.
> And that's not a problem. Every whinging blog author seems
> to forget [...] Or maybe the complaint is that there are
> fancy new features in Python 3.x that aren't in 2.7? Oh
> wait, that directly contradicts the whine. So if Python 3
> has added nothing, what's the rush to move onto it?
What's wrong with people wanting new features WITHOUT
suffering through the headaches of porting code? I think
your missing the point Chris.
You and i both know that most of the features could be added
without breaking Python, but the choice was made to break
Python anyway, and that would have been fine IF the powers
that be would have REALLY made Python better, but they
only "slightly" improved the language!
Look, along the course of ANY learning curve, a designer, or
an artist, or an engineer, is going to realize he made some
catastrophic mistakes -- okay, no problem, we are ALL but
human after all, even the "Anointed One" is not beyond
mistakes, HOWEVER, the choice to fracture a community over
"minor improvements" was a poor choice and i think some
"owning up" is in order!
Also, this "idea" of yours that people should just shut up
and do what the "regime" commands, is just utter nonsense.
Python is a public offering, and as such is equally subject
to both praise and ridicule.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS A REAL BEECH!
If the "powers that be" cannot handle the heat, then they
should withdraw Python from the public and then they can
decree any ridiculous fascist rules they please, until then,
what's that old adage about "reaping" and "sewing"...?
QUESTION:
"What's worse than fracturing a community?"
ANSWER:
"Creating a leadership vacuum."
--And nature *abhors* a vacuum!
Besides, "opposing and competing forces" are a fundamental
part of evolution (psst: do you remember that little thing
called "evolution" Chris?) and so we must NEVER forget the
absolute necessity of dissent! Just think of what our world
would be like if every idea was NOT placed under the
microscope for scrutiny.
I SHUTTER TO THINK!
Image, for a moment, a world WITHOUT the great USA! Yes, i
know you little commies love to curse the USA, and yes,
there are many dark sins committed within AND beyond her
borders, but try to tell me you bass-turds, what nation in
modern history has contributed more technological
achievements [1] or engendered a revolution of social
justice around the world, or, propagated the idea that all
men are created equal and endowed by their creator with
unalienable rights? What would have happened if the colonies
just threw their hands and and said:
"WELL, GEORGE KNOWS BEST!"
> Whiners gonna whine.
And brown-nosing little shills gonna shill!
[1]: even IF many of them were "borrowed". HEY, TO THE VICTOR GO THE SPOILS!
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| From | mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 23:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <zYYwv.180937$wc.120182@fx25.am4> |
| In reply to | #74437 |
On 14/07/2014 23:12, Rick Johnson wrote: > I SHUTTER TO THINK! It's "I shudder to think"! shut·ter [shuht-er] noun 1. a solid or louvered movable cover for a window. 2. a movable cover, slide, etc., for an opening. 3. a person or thing that shuts. 4. Photography . a mechanical device for opening and closing the aperture of a camera lens to expose film or the like. verb (used with object) 5. to close or provide with shutters: She shuttered the windows. 6. to close (a store or business operations) for the day or permanently. shud·der [shuhd-er] verb (used without object) 1. to tremble with a sudden convulsive movement, as from horror,fear, or cold. noun 2. a convulsive movement of the body, as from horror, fear, or cold.
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| From | MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 23:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.11810.1405378045.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74437 |
On 2014-07-14 23:12, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:15:45 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Larry Martell wrote: >>> No company that I work for is using python 3 - they just have too >>> much of an investment in a python 2 code base to switch. I'm just >>> saying. >> And that's not a problem. Every whinging blog author seems to >> forget [...] Or maybe the complaint is that there are fancy new >> features in Python 3.x that aren't in 2.7? Oh wait, that directly >> contradicts the whine. So if Python 3 has added nothing, what's the >> rush to move onto it? > > What's wrong with people wanting new features WITHOUT suffering > through the headaches of porting code? I think your missing the point > Chris. > > You and i both know that most of the features could be added without > breaking Python, but the choice was made to break Python anyway, and > that would have been fine IF the powers that be would have REALLY > made Python better, but they only "slightly" improved the language! > > Look, along the course of ANY learning curve, a designer, or an > artist, or an engineer, is going to realize he made some catastrophic > mistakes -- okay, no problem, we are ALL but human after all, even > the "Anointed One" is not beyond mistakes, HOWEVER, the choice to > fracture a community over "minor improvements" was a poor choice and > i think some "owning up" is in order! > > Also, this "idea" of yours that people should just shut up and do > what the "regime" commands, is just utter nonsense. Python is a > public offering, and as such is equally subject to both praise and > ridicule. > > FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS A REAL BEECH! > > If the "powers that be" cannot handle the heat, then they should > withdraw Python from the public and then they can decree any > ridiculous fascist rules they please, until then, what's that old > adage about "reaping" and "sewing"...? > Why it should "they" withdraw it (whatever that means)? "They" are entitled to keep it public if they want to. Those who aren't interested are not obliged to take any notice of it, and any group or individual who wants to develop Python 2 further can just fork Python 2.7 and continue from there. > QUESTION: "What's worse than fracturing a community?" > > ANSWER: "Creating a leadership vacuum." > > --And nature *abhors* a vacuum! > > Besides, "opposing and competing forces" are a fundamental part of > evolution (psst: do you remember that little thing called "evolution" > Chris?) and so we must NEVER forget the absolute necessity of > dissent! Just think of what our world would be like if every idea was > NOT placed under the microscope for scrutiny. > Evolution is also about competition, and there's nothing stopping someone creating a fork of Python 2 to compete with Python 3. > I SHUTTER TO THINK! > [snip] BTW, that's "SHUDDER", not "SHUTTER".
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| From | Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 18:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <48e22633-0779-44cc-945a-8238ea9be77c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #74440 |
On Monday, July 14, 2014 5:47:14 PM UTC-5, MRAB wrote:
> Why it should "they" withdraw it (whatever that means)?
> "They" are entitled to keep it public if they want to.
I'm not suggesting they *must* withdraw Python, I'm only
suggesting that IF they wish to *prevent* dissent or scrutiny,
then the only remedy they can employ is to "withdraw" the
language from public view.
I'm merely highlighting the difference between public and
private property. Python is currently public property, and
just as a public park is open to whoever wishes to visit, so
too is the the Python language.
Sure, nobody wants to see the unwashed homeless people
there, feeding the pigeons until they grow so fat they can
only muster sporadic momentary flight, in between Jackson
Pollock inspired park bench repainting sessions via
cementitious bowel ejections... THOSE VERMIN!
But we must suffer them, because if we believe in freedom,
we must celebrate the "comfortable" whilst suffering the
"uncomfortable".
> Those who aren't interested are not obliged to take any
> notice of it, and any group or individual who wants to
> develop Python 2 further can just fork Python 2.7 and
> continue from there.
Actually, no. You need to understand some ground rules of
free societies:
============================================================
When a *public* "entity" is created, an "individual" *may*:
============================================================
* Ignore the entity altogether. At which point, no
future interaction occurs UNLESS the "individual"
decides to change his relationship with the *public*
"entity"
* Engage the entity in one or more forms:
1. Participate in debate. Which may include accolades,
dissent, or even vile rebukes.
2. Take from the entity any offerings the entity may
provide.
3. All of the above.
You see, the "entity" merely offers something for the
taking, and the "individual" decides to take the
offering, or not to take the offering; to participate,
or not to participate; -- extrapolations to infinity...!
And not only does the "individual" control the time,
place, and manner of the interaction, he also has the
capacity to insert or remove himself from participation
at any time. THIS, is the manner of free "individuals"
operating in the realm of *public* "entities".
An "individual", a FREE individual that is, has many more
choices than the single choice you provided. What you're
attempting to do is "compel" an "individual" to engage a
*public* entity in a manner that is most pleasing to YOU,
and i will not allow that to happen!
I've seen this "vulgar display of animosity" before,
predominately in short, angry white women driving
"Scandinavian armored personnel carriers" (aka: Volvo), with
closely trimmed eyebrows, and beaming scowls of superiority
down on the "little people" as she transports her "honor
role student" to school at twenty miles below the speed
limit!
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-15 11:18 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.11818.1405387097.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74452 |
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, July 14, 2014 5:47:14 PM UTC-5, MRAB wrote: >> Why it should "they" withdraw it (whatever that means)? >> "They" are entitled to keep it public if they want to. > > I'm not suggesting they *must* withdraw Python, I'm only > suggesting that IF they wish to *prevent* dissent or scrutiny, > then the only remedy they can employ is to "withdraw" the > language from public view. Python 3 stands up just fine to scrutiny, and dissent is a normal part of life. > I'm merely highlighting the difference between public and > private property. Python is currently public property, and > just as a public park is open to whoever wishes to visit, so > too is the the Python language. Python is not public property. Whatever gave you that idea? > I've seen this "vulgar display of animosity" before, > predominately in short, angry white women driving > "Scandinavian armored personnel carriers" (aka: Volvo), with > closely trimmed eyebrows, and beaming scowls of superiority > down on the "little people" as she transports her "honor > role student" to school at twenty miles below the speed > limit! Wow. There is just so much US-centrism in that paragraph... I don't understand half of it half as well as I'd like, and I like less than half of it half as well as it deserves. ChrisA
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-15 09:28 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.11812.1405380509.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74437 |
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> wrote: > If the "powers that be" cannot handle the heat, then they > should withdraw Python from the public and then they can > decree any ridiculous fascist rules they please, until then, > what's that old adage about "reaping" and "sewing"...? You've already been told about "shutter" vs "shudder", but I'd like to also point out that this would be "sowing", as it's a reference to this passage from the Bible: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+6%3A7-8&version=NIV which is itself a reference to the work of planting (sowing seeds) and then harvesting (reaping). > Besides, "opposing and competing forces" are a fundamental > part of evolution (psst: do you remember that little thing > called "evolution" Chris?) Actually, no. I don't remember evolving from anything else. Do you? Because I've always been the same thing I am now. What am I supposed to be remembering, exactly? > Image, for a moment, a world WITHOUT the great USA! "Imagine". If you were worth the effort, I could easily "image" a world without the USA, by Photoshopping something out of a world map. (I'd probably use the Gimp, or Pike's image manipulation libraries, but everyone knows what Photoshopping is.) And I know what would happen if the USA weren't here. People in other countries would have made similar improvements to the world. Oh, and just for reference, I'm not in the US. I'm an Aussie, and we boast a fairly impressive per-capita invention rate. Some of them (like the stump-jump plough) are specific to our peculiar land, but there are plenty of awesome tools of general interest that have come from here. Just start poking around in various technical documents (RFCs, ISO and ANSI standards, etc, etc) and see how many contributors' addresses say Australia; chances are it'll be a lot more than our ~20M population would suggest. There are a few European countries that, similarly, contribute far more than their apparent size would imply. > what nation in > modern history has contributed more technological > achievements [1] or engendered a revolution of social > justice around the world, or, propagated the idea that all > men are created equal and endowed by their creator with > unalienable rights? Social justice? Do you honestly think the USofA is the example to hold up and say "Look, we have perfectly solved the problems of social injustice"? I guess you've eliminated racism since I last heard. Oh, and I agree that all people are created equal. (I'll leave aside the argument about whether your statement is proof that English is sexist, or that the US founding fathers were the sexist ones.) I also believe that our Creator sees us as equal. But all through history, we flawed human beings have had a problem with seeing people differently, for various reasons. The Apostle James wrote about a major problem with "wealthist" Christians: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A1-4&version=NIV And there've been plenty of other problems creeping in. God treats us all the same way: flawed, fallible people whom He loves enough to die for. If you want to believe in true equality, you need to follow His example. ChrisA
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| From | Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 18:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <58636710-ecc3-48a9-8f37-a5c2b13446f1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #74445 |
On Monday, July 14, 2014 6:28:19 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
> And I know what would happen if the USA weren't here.
> People in other countries would have made similar
> improvements to the world.
Yes, i wholeheartedly agree with that statement.
Is the USA the *ONLY* country to have ever liberated the world
from the clutches of evil?...No! Will the USA be the *LAST* to
do so?...OF COURSE NOT! I'm not so blind as you may believe.
But, if the USA *DID NOT* exist during the perilous times of
the world wars, how many generations of people would have
suffered before a powerful enough contender came along to
unclench the grips of evil?
I "SHUDDER" TO THINK!
How many minutes, or hours, or days in a concentration camp
would YOU, Chris Angelico, trade so you could have your
selfish wish to wipe USA's prestige from the history books?
You see Chris, the battle between "good" and "evil" [1] will
always exist, and in fact, if it did not exist, the world
would be a stagnate cess-pool of rot and decay because it is
the very battle that is waged against "evil", which is just
another form of competition, that spins the cogs of
evolution.
Of course the "moral authority" of "doing good" has it's
hormonal payoffs, yes?
SELFISHNESS, MEET GLUTTONY
GLUTTONY, SELFISHNESS!
Ha, however, our "chemically induced" happiness is just a
method of pacification, and protects our delicate emotional
"beings" from the most abysmal of apathetic truths.
Living creatures are lazy by nature, and we will, if not
"challenged", waste away, in order to maintain forward
evolution, the tools of pain, jealously, terror, envy, etc,
etc... are employed to "compel" us to compete with each
other --from the friendliest of banter to the deepest depths
of human depravity-- we are but pawns in a greater game!
LET THE GAMES BEGIN!
> Social justice? Do you honestly think the USofA is the
> example to hold up and say "Look, we have perfectly solved
> the problems of social injustice"?
Point to my statement that mentioned ANYTHING about
"perfect". I don't believe in perfection, since such an
"idea" is unattainable by both the human hand, or human mind.
> I guess you've eliminated racism since I last heard.
Yup. And next we've decided to solve the middle east crisis!
> Oh, and I agree that all people are created equal. (I'll
> leave aside the argument about whether your statement is
> proof that English is sexist, or that the US founding
> fathers were the sexist ones.) I also believe that our
> Creator sees us as equal. But all through history, we
> flawed human beings have had a problem with seeing people
> differently, for various reasons. The Apostle James wrote
> about a major problem with "wealthist" Christians: And
> there've been plenty of other problems creeping in. God
> treats us all the same way: flawed, fallible people whom
> He loves enough to die for. If you want to believe in true
> equality, you need to follow His example.
I'm confused by your logic. First you admit all humans are
fallible, but somehow, you believe that a collection of
humans should be "infallible". Please explain this enigma.
REFERENCES:
[1] And i use the terms very loosely here. Please, let's not
get into a debate of what "good" and "evil" are with all
the religious nonsense and such.
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-15 12:11 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.11819.1405390310.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74455 |
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> wrote: > But, if the USA *DID NOT* exist during the perilous times of > the world wars, how many generations of people would have > suffered before a powerful enough contender came along to > unclench the grips of evil? > > I "SHUDDER" TO THINK! > > How many minutes, or hours, or days in a concentration camp > would YOU, Chris Angelico, trade so you could have your > selfish wish to wipe USA's prestige from the history books? I dunno. It's not like Great Britain, Australia, or New Zealand did anything significant in either war, is it. And a lot of US citizens fought in British or other military units, because the US wasn't in the war yet. That's what I mean by "if the US were not, others would take up the slack" - the same people would do the same work, under a different flag. > You see Chris, the battle between "good" and "evil" [1] will > always exist, and in fact, if it did not exist, the world > would be a stagnate cess-pool of rot and decay because it is > the very battle that is waged against "evil", which is just > another form of competition, that spins the cogs of > evolution. > > [1] And i use the terms very loosely here. Please, let's not > get into a debate of what "good" and "evil" are with all > the religious nonsense and such. Easiest to use the Dungeons & Dragons definitions of those terms (which don't conflict with most religious definitions): evil is selfishness, good is altruism. >> I guess you've eliminated racism since I last heard. > > Yup. And next we've decided to solve the middle east crisis! Good. Call me when you get there, and I'll give you the rest of the directions. Some people in Australia are still racist, but racism is nothing like the problem it is in America, where you boast so much of equality. >> Oh, and I agree that all people are created equal. (I'll >> leave aside the argument about whether your statement is >> proof that English is sexist, or that the US founding >> fathers were the sexist ones.) I also believe that our >> Creator sees us as equal. But all through history, we >> flawed human beings have had a problem with seeing people >> differently, for various reasons. The Apostle James wrote >> about a major problem with "wealthist" Christians: And >> there've been plenty of other problems creeping in. God >> treats us all the same way: flawed, fallible people whom >> He loves enough to die for. If you want to believe in true >> equality, you need to follow His example. > > I'm confused by your logic. First you admit all humans are > fallible, but somehow, you believe that a collection of > humans should be "infallible". Please explain this enigma. Where do I say anything about a collection of humans being infallible? I believe I specifically said *fallible*. That's, uhh, the opposite of infallible. ChrisA
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| From | Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 21:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c4c37460-3c6b-451f-aac0-43e9b9f52589@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #74456 |
On Monday, July 14, 2014 9:11:47 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
> I dunno. It's not like Great Britain, Australia, or New
> Zealand did anything significant in either war, is it.
Most of Europe occupied, London bombed into the stone age;
things were looking grim Chris! Maybe you should read up on
some WW2 history, it's quite humbling to think what *could*
have happened.
> Some people in Australia are still racist, but racism is
> nothing like the problem it is in America, where you boast
> so much of equality.
Where do you get your info about America, from CNN? And for
someone who is a self-described "Aussie" you sure seem to
know more about Americans than Americans know about
themselves... hmm, another enigma!
Chris, one thing you need to understand about America is
that a whole grievance industry exists to perpetuate hate.
And sadly, most Americans are too stupid to realize this.
You see, a divided people are not going to cause the rulers
any troubles because they are too busy fighting amongst
themselves -- the same effect is employed in prison
populations to protect the guards.
In ancient Rome, the Caesars used games and bread to control
the masses, today, they use the grievance industry and, for
the complete moronic zombies, sporting events.
All "isms" and social problems just boil down to hate. And
since you can never remove hate from the heart of man, you
will *NEVER* solve these issues. The best you can hope for
is to reduce the levels a bit via "intelligent interventions".
So in short, none of these issues will ever be solved until
people realize who the real enemy is -> themselves.
MIRROR, MIRROR, ON THE WALL, WHO'S THE MOST JUDGMENTAL
OF THEM ALL?
============================================================
The origins of xenophobia:
============================================================
In order to defeat our own hatred of others, we must
circumvent our per-programmed primal fears, which is not
easy to do, and while these fears play a vital survival role
in *early* development of both the *individuals* of a group
AND the group itself, in modern times, these fears have
become a crutch preventing humans from evolving socially.
HENCE THE GRIEVANCE INDUSTRY PERPETRATED BY A MEDIA
CIRCUS THAT WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET RATINGS!
====================
THOUGHT EXPERIMENT
====================
Imagine your a small kitten: innocent, carefree, and full
of curiosity! You love exploring the world, stuffing
yourself into boxes, climbing to high places, and chasing
balls of strings -- ah what a life!
You see your siblings and notice they have fur like you ,
and whiskers like you, and paws and tails and blah like
you. And you are comfortable because these other
"lifeforms" resemble you, and so you consider them to be
"safe".
Then one day, whilst frolicking in the backyard, you see a
glimmer from under a log, ooh, whats this you ask
rhetorically...?
So you get closer to inspect, and you see two eyes, and
you think, hmm, it has two eyes just like my bothers and
sisters so it must be safe...!
And so you get yet closer, but just then you start to
notice some differences, whoa, this thing has no fur, it
has no paws, and no whiskers, and it has strange patterns
on it's back and it's making a rattling noise, oh well, no
need to let fear get in my way, i'll just go over and
introduce myself... AND THAT WAS THE END OF "FLUFFY THE
KITTEN"!
MEOW!
You see, since hate is merely an extrapolation of
xenophobia, which is itself a per-programmed reflex utilized
unconsciously to protect an organism from self destruction
via *utter* ignorance of dangerous predators, we are
fighting a losing battle when we expect the vast majority of
earths "intelligent" inhabitants, of which most are
zombie-fied *idiots*, to violate their own source code.
JUST GO GRAB A BEER AND WATCH THE GAME YOU BEER-BELLIED FOOL!
PS: That was a "general" you, not to be taken as a literal
statement to Chris.
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