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| Started by | Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2014-05-28 14:23 -0500 |
| Last post | 2014-05-31 09:28 -0800 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 324 — 57 participants |
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Python 3 is killing Python Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 14:23 -0500
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2014-05-28 21:39 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-28 22:41 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 12:49 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 14:58 -0500
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-05-29 03:49 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 21:23 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-05-29 06:38 -0500
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-05-29 06:15 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-28 21:24 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-05-28 23:14 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 15:12 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2014-07-14 23:37 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-14 23:47 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 18:00 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 11:18 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 09:28 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 18:54 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 12:11 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 21:18 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 14:40 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Martin S <shieldfire@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 06:31 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-15 05:41 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Tim Roberts <timr@probo.com> - 2014-07-16 20:18 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 22:15 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-07-17 17:36 +1200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 15:45 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 15:45 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 08:05 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-07-15 12:30 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 00:59 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-07-15 12:19 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-15 15:50 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-07-15 17:38 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-15 18:23 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 16:35 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ben Finney <ben@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-05-29 08:38 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 16:22 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python beliavsky@aol.com - 2014-08-06 06:47 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-08-06 14:42 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-07 12:42 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-07 13:37 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-08-07 21:07 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-05-28 21:57 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2014-05-31 12:07 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2014-05-31 13:09 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Stefan Behnel <stefan_ml@behnel.de> - 2014-05-31 13:22 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2014-06-01 04:57 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 13:35 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-05-31 21:11 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2014-06-01 13:38 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2014-06-01 07:01 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-06-01 07:52 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2014-06-01 13:41 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-06-01 12:53 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-06-01 17:21 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2014-06-02 07:14 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-05-31 12:30 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-05-31 08:48 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 09:01 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-06-02 16:15 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-06-02 12:21 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-06-03 02:30 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-06-02 16:52 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2014-06-02 19:16 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 11:53 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-06-02 18:59 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-06-02 23:12 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 23:30 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-06-03 09:03 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-06-03 07:22 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 21:58 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-15 00:23 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 08:31 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 21:47 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 14:20 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Fabien <fabien.maussion@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 14:17 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 23:00 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2014-07-15 09:57 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 00:31 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-15 20:38 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-15 19:06 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-15 23:01 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 03:51 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 14:20 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 07:33 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 08:52 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 16:26 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 09:44 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 16:50 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-16 00:11 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 07:49 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 18:44 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 11:35 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 21:54 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 13:46 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 12:10 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 22:55 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-16 06:10 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 16:11 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-16 06:22 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 00:04 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 17:39 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 01:23 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 18:48 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 02:07 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-16 19:20 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 02:51 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 13:15 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-17 12:27 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-07-17 07:18 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 07:49 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-07-30 14:31 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-16 17:02 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-16 18:47 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-07-16 16:27 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 15:41 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 00:00 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 18:16 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 03:14 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 08:17 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:49 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 20:34 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-18 14:17 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 13:20 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 23:54 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 03:16 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 21:47 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Fabien <fabien.maussion@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 12:12 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 21:12 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 11:15 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 04:27 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-17 21:44 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 19:24 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:39 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 21:40 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-07-18 08:24 +0300
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 08:34 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-18 14:19 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 08:35 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> - 2014-07-18 17:25 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-18 19:45 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 20:06 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Emile van Sebille <emile@fenx.com> - 2014-07-17 12:22 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-17 21:37 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-17 17:30 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-17 20:13 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-18 18:38 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 01:26 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:54 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Andrew Berg <aberg010@my.hennepintech.edu> - 2014-07-17 19:45 -0500
Re: Python 3 is killing Python alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 13:01 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 16:45 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:15 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 20:37 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 15:34 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 02:21 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 18:27 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-18 16:46 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 16:49 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 16:50 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 17:22 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-18 21:27 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-18 21:21 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 09:29 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 02:41 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 12:00 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 13:39 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 09:13 +1000
Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-19 16:45 -0400
Re: Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 18:31 -0700
Re: Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 11:42 +1000
Re: Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-20 12:40 +0100
Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-20 17:52 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 18:22 -0700
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 11:32 +1000
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-20 23:49 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 10:55 +1000
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-20 23:28 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 13:34 +1000
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-21 05:00 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-21 13:00 -0700
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 20:56 +1000
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-21 14:30 -0400
Re: Idle's Shell: prompts and indents (was ...) Idle users please read Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 04:35 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 15:50 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-19 19:23 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 09:10 +1000
Re: Improving Idle (was Re: Python 3 ...) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-21 02:54 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 08:24 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-18 18:20 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-18 19:31 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-18 20:44 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 14:37 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-07-18 18:09 -0400
Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-19 07:28 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> - 2014-07-19 11:08 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-19 14:31 -0400
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-20 01:23 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 11:39 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> - 2014-07-19 18:53 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] CHIN Dihedral <dihedral88888@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 08:37 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 14:18 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 07:50 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 09:19 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-07-20 10:41 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> - 2014-07-19 18:24 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] TP <wingusr@gmail.com> - 2014-07-19 19:03 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> - 2014-07-19 20:10 -0700
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-01 13:10 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 21:22 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-01 15:19 +0300
Re: Python and IDEs Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 22:30 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-01 23:10 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 23:30 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-01 18:13 +0300
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-06 14:38 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-06 22:51 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-11 11:08 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Nicholas Cole <nicholas.cole@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 15:28 +0100
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-06 14:47 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-07 13:32 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-11 11:08 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-08-11 09:37 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-11 20:20 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-11 14:45 +0100
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Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-12 10:11 +1000
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Re: Quoting and attribution (was: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python]) Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-12 02:07 +0000
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Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-08-13 12:42 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-13 23:35 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-13 16:51 +0100
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 00:39 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-08-02 11:14 +1200
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Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-08-02 23:38 +1200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Dietmar Schwertberger <maillist@schwertberger.de> - 2014-08-01 19:16 +0200
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Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-11 18:39 +0000
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Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-08-02 12:00 +1200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 10:20 +1000
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Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 23:01 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-08-03 12:01 +1200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-03 11:12 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-08-02 14:55 +0100
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-08-03 12:04 +1200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Dietmar Schwertberger <maillist@schwertberger.de> - 2014-08-03 09:46 +0200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-08-02 10:27 -0400
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-08-03 12:20 +1200
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 09:48 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-05 13:29 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-06 02:50 +1000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-05 19:25 +0000
Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] TP <wingusr@gmail.com> - 2014-08-05 14:28 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-18 19:26 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2014-08-03 21:21 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 01:18 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Javier <nospam@nospam.com> - 2014-07-16 17:33 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 11:50 -0600
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 03:33 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-17 04:25 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python "Neil D. Cerutti" <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2014-07-16 11:48 -0400
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-16 18:34 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-07-17 08:31 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 16:41 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-07-17 09:09 +0200
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 17:59 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Glenn Linderman <v+python@g.nevcal.com> - 2014-08-01 23:18 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 21:24 +0100
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Re: Python 3 is killing Python Abhiram R <abhi.darkness@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 03:07 +0530
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-07-16 02:08 +0000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Abhiram R <abhi.darkness@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 03:05 +0530
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-15 22:49 +0100
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Re: Python 3 is killing Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-07-16 02:57 +0100
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Tim Roberts <timr@probo.com> - 2014-07-16 20:20 -0700
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-17 13:38 +1000
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Abhiram R <abhi.darkness@gmail.com> - 2014-07-16 09:07 +0530
Re: Python 3 is killing Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-16 09:18 +0100
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Re: Python 3 is killing Python Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2014-07-15 20:43 -0400
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| From | "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-19 18:53 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12079.1405821230.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74850 |
On 7/19/2014 6:23 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > I haven't used Python on Windows much, but when I did use it, I found > the standard Python interactive interpreter running under cmd.exe to > be bare- bones but usable for testing short snippets. If I recall > correctly, it is missing any sort of command history or line editing > other than backspace, which I guess it would have been painful to use > for extensive interactive work, but when I started using Python on > Linux the interactive interpreter had no readline support either so it > was just like old times :-) Windows PowerShell supports very basic Linux commands and has a command history. I'm always typing "ls" for a directory listing when I'm on a Windows machine. The regular command line would throw a DOS fit. PowerShell lets me get away with it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_PowerShell#Comparison_of_cmdlets_with_similar_commands I prefer working on my vintage 2006 Black MacBook. Alas, the CPU fan is dying and MacBook shuts down after 15 minutes. I'm surprised at how well I was able to set up a equivalent programming environment on Windows. Chris Reimer
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| From | CHIN Dihedral <dihedral88888@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-21 08:37 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <dcf2aa33-55ad-4ba9-89c8-d49615a0feb8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #74857 |
On Sunday, July 20, 2014 9:53:02 AM UTC+8, C.D. Reimer wrote: > On 7/19/2014 6:23 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > > I haven't used Python on Windows much, but when I did use it, I found > > > the standard Python interactive interpreter running under cmd.exe to > > > be bare- bones but usable for testing short snippets. If I recall > > > correctly, it is missing any sort of command history or line editing > > > other than backspace, which I guess it would have been painful to use > > > for extensive interactive work, but when I started using Python on > > > Linux the interactive interpreter had no readline support either so it > > > was just like old times :-) > > > > Windows PowerShell supports very basic Linux commands and has a command > > history. I'm always typing "ls" for a directory listing when I'm on a > > Windows machine. The regular command line would throw a DOS fit. > > PowerShell lets me get away with it. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_PowerShell#Comparison_of_cmdlets_with_similar_commands > > > > I prefer working on my vintage 2006 Black MacBook. Alas, the CPU fan is > > dying and MacBook shuts down after 15 minutes. I'm surprised at how well > > I was able to set up a equivalent programming environment on Windows. > > > > Chris Reimer Well, Python could be used as a scripting language for routine jobs in various Oses. But Python has been designed to be a cross-platform high-level general purpose programming language from the birth. One can be sure that the investing in most of the programming concepts and skills in Python 2.XX is still valid in Python 3.XX. Forget those non-investing imitators' flase spamming claims.
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| From | Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-20 14:18 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12087.1405829943.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74850 |
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On 20 July 2014 11:53, C.D. Reimer <chris@cdreimer.com> wrote: > > On 7/19/2014 6:23 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> I haven't used Python on Windows much, but when I did use it, I found the >> standard Python interactive interpreter running under cmd.exe to be bare- >> bones but usable for testing short snippets. If I recall correctly, it is >> missing any sort of command history or line editing other than backspace, >> which I guess it would have been painful to use for extensive interactive >> work, but when I started using Python on Linux the interactive interpreter >> had no readline support either so it was just like old times :-) >> > > Windows PowerShell supports very basic Linux commands and has a command > history. I'm always typing "ls" for a directory listing when I'm on a > Windows machine. The regular command line would throw a DOS fit. PowerShell > lets me get away with it. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_PowerShell#Comparison_ > of_cmdlets_with_similar_commands > > I prefer working on my vintage 2006 Black MacBook. Alas, the CPU fan is > dying and MacBook shuts down after 15 minutes. I'm surprised at how well I > was able to set up a equivalent programming environment on Windows. I advise anyone who works cross-platform to install MSYS on their Windows boxes (for the simplest, most consistent behaviour ignore rxvt and just launch bash -l - i directly). Or use cygwin if you prefer. Tim Delaney
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| From | Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-20 07:50 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12063.1405806613.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74796 |
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On 20 July 2014 04:08, C.D. Reimer <chris@cdreimer.com> wrote: > On 7/19/2014 12:28 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> Earlier, I mentioned a considerable number of IDEs which are available >> for Python, including: >> > > I prefer to use Notepad++ (Windows) and TextWrangler (Mac). Text editors > with code highlighting can get the job done as well, especially if the > project is modest and doesn't require version control. > IMO there is no project so modest that it doesn't require version control. Especially since version control is as simple as: cd project hg init hg add hg commit FWIW I also don't find a need for an IDE for Python - I'm quite happy using EditPlus (which I preferred enough to other alternatives on Windows to pay for many years ago). Tim Delaney
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-20 09:19 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12069.1405811976.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74796 |
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> wrote: > IMO there is no project so modest that it doesn't require version control. > Especially since version control is as simple as: > > cd project > hg init > hg add > hg commit That said, though, there are some projects so modest they don't require dedicated repositories. I have a repo called "shed" - it's a collection of random tools that I've put together, no more logical grouping exists. Generally each one is a single file, although I have a couple of related ones in there. (Code at https://github.com/Rosuav/shed if anyone's curious.) If I have an idea for a program that doesn't really merit a full repo, I'll just save it into shed. Keeps the "where did I put that, what did I call that" to a minimum :) ChrisA
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| From | Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-20 10:41 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12071.1405816894.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74796 |
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On 20 July 2014 09:19, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Tim Delaney > <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> wrote: > > IMO there is no project so modest that it doesn't require version > control. > > Especially since version control is as simple as: > > > > cd project > > hg init > > hg add > > hg commit > > That said, though, there are some projects so modest they don't > require dedicated repositories. I have a repo called "shed" - it's a > collection of random tools that I've put together, no more logical > grouping exists. Agreed. I have a "utils" one - but I do like "shed" and think I'm going to rename :) The main thing is that versioning should be automatic now - it's almost free, and the benefits are huge because even trivial scripts end up evolving. Tim Delaney
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| From | "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-19 18:24 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12075.1405819502.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74796 |
On 7/19/2014 5:41 PM, Tim Delaney wrote: > The main thing is that versioning should be automatic now - it's > almost free, and the benefits are huge because even trivial scripts > end up evolving. I keep my modest Python scripts in a Dropbox directory and run a weekly Python script to zip up the Dropbox directory for safekeeping on the home file server and Microsoft OneDrive. If I really need a recent copy of a script, Time Machine on the Mac should have a copy from the Drop Box folder. The only time I use version control is when I have a big project with many moving parts and/or I'm publishing software for other people to use. Chris Reimer
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| From | TP <wingusr@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-19 19:03 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12080.1405821829.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74796 |
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On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Steven D'Aprano < steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote: > For Python users, the IDEs from > Wingware and Activestate are notable: > > https://wingware.com/ > http://komodoide.com/ > I would say that since PyCharm (https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/) now has a free Community Edition it is an even more notable IDE as the above two programs cost $. And as a Windows user, for version control I really like TortoiseHg ( http://tortoisehg.bitbucket.org/) for Mercurial. Likewise I tend to use TortoiseSVN and TortoiseGit rather than the command line. PyCharm even has support for those but I still like right-clicking on folders in Windows Explorer and activating various hg commands from the popup menu. Especially since not every program I write is written in Python :)
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| From | "C.D. Reimer" <chris@cdreimer.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-19 20:10 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12082.1405825884.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #74796 |
On 7/19/2014 7:03 PM, TP wrote: > I would say that since PyCharm (https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/) > now has a free Community Edition it is an even more notable IDE as the > above two programs cost $. PyCharm look really nice as an IDE. Thanks for the heads up. Chris Reimer
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| From | Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2014-08-01 13:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <20140801131035.f672ac56af3aa4eda5d36dcd@gmx.net> |
| In reply to | #74796 |
> Windows and OS X users, sadly, miss out on the power of an integrated > package manager. Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS, TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the bottomless cesspit of "package management" and/or "installers". Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any "packages" or "installers" to use it. Sincerely, Wolfgang
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-01 21:22 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12507.1406892155.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #75462 |
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> wrote: > Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS, > TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the > bottomless cesspit of "package management" and/or "installers". > > Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an > entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any "packages" or > "installers" to use it. You mean everyone has to reinvent the proverbial wheel AND worry about dependency collisions? Yeah, that's a heavenly thought. ChrisA
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| From | Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> |
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| Date | 2014-08-01 15:19 +0300 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs |
| Message-ID | <87oaw4z9jr.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> |
| In reply to | #75463 |
Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>: > On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> wrote: >> Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an >> entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any "packages" or >> "installers" to use it. > > You mean everyone has to reinvent the proverbial wheel AND worry about > dependency collisions? Yeah, that's a heavenly thought. I'm guessing he's referring to the modern fad of application sandboxing. Each application is installed with everything it needs on top of the basic OS. If you have ten Python apps, you'll have ten Python installations. Also the applications have no way to communicate outside their respective sandboxes. They can't access each others' files, for example. Personally, I tend to stick to this package management strategy: install whatever is available with yum and write the rest yourself. Marko
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-01 22:30 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12508.1406896234.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #75465 |
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> wrote: > I'm guessing he's referring to the modern fad of application sandboxing. > Each application is installed with everything it needs on top of the > basic OS. > > If you have ten Python apps, you'll have ten Python installations. Also > the applications have no way to communicate outside their respective > sandboxes. They can't access each others' files, for example. > > Personally, I tend to stick to this package management strategy: install > whatever is available with yum and write the rest yourself. Only if by "write" you also include compiling someone else's program from source. I follow that strategy (except that I use apt rather than yum), and there's a fair bit that I build from source but don't write. Granted, that's partly because Debian Stable doesn't include a sufficiently recent Python, for instance, but still, there's a lot to be said for getting libraries (including dev versions) from the repo and building some applications yourself. ChrisA
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
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| Date | 2014-08-01 23:10 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs |
| Message-ID | <53db91a8$0$30002$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #75465 |
Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>: > >> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> wrote: >>> Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an >>> entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any "packages" or >>> "installers" to use it. >> >> You mean everyone has to reinvent the proverbial wheel AND worry about >> dependency collisions? Yeah, that's a heavenly thought. > > I'm guessing he's referring to the modern fad of application sandboxing. > Each application is installed with everything it needs on top of the > basic OS. > > If you have ten Python apps, you'll have ten Python installations. A horrible thought. Hard drives are cheap, but not that cheap that one can trivially afford to turn every 1K Python script into a 25,000K install (based on the size of the Windows binary-only installer). On my system, the obvious application directories (I may have missed some) total 460MB: [steve@ando ~]$ du -hc /bin/ /sbin/ /usr/bin/ /usr/local/bin/ 7.9M /bin/ 38M /sbin/ 76K /usr/bin/mergetools 380M /usr/bin/ 35M /usr/local/bin/ 460M total If those apps were an average of 10,000 times larger, that makes 4.6TB, significantly larger than an entry level 1TB hard drive. It also makes rescue DVDs and boot USB sticks impractical, to say nothing of the expense of downloading upgrades. I can download (say) an entire Linux Mint system in an hour or three, which is significantly better than the two years it would take to download if everything was 10,000 times bigger. But even more problematic... if there's a security vulnerability in Python, would you rather wait for the vulnerability to patched once in a central Python binary, or individually in each and every single Python script that comes with a bundled Python binary? > Also > the applications have no way to communicate outside their respective > sandboxes. They can't access each others' files, for example. If two applications can both write to the file system, they can communicate. If they have sufficient file system privileges, they can even reach into each other's bundle and modify anything they want. > Personally, I tend to stick to this package management strategy: install > whatever is available with yum and write the rest yourself. +0.8 on that. Sometimes I install software outside of the package management system, but I always feel a tad dirty when I do so :-) -- Steven
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-01 23:30 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12510.1406899806.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #75470 |
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote: > Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > >> I'm guessing he's referring to the modern fad of application sandboxing. >> Each application is installed with everything it needs on top of the >> basic OS. >> >> If you have ten Python apps, you'll have ten Python installations. > > A horrible thought. Hard drives are cheap, but not that cheap that one can > trivially afford to turn every 1K Python script into a 25,000K install > (based on the size of the Windows binary-only installer). On my system, the > obvious application directories (I may have missed some) total 460MB: > > [steve@ando ~]$ du -hc /bin/ /sbin/ /usr/bin/ /usr/local/bin/ > 7.9M /bin/ > 38M /sbin/ > 76K /usr/bin/mergetools > 380M /usr/bin/ > 35M /usr/local/bin/ > 460M total > > If those apps were an average of 10,000 times larger, that makes 4.6TB, > significantly larger than an entry level 1TB hard drive. It also makes > rescue DVDs and boot USB sticks impractical, to say nothing of the expense > of downloading upgrades. I can download (say) an entire Linux Mint system > in an hour or three, which is significantly better than the two years it > would take to download if everything was 10,000 times bigger. There is a solution. If all those binaries are marked as read-only, you could have a file system that stores things based on their hashes, effectively hardlinking (automatically) all the duplicates. Of course, that only works if they really are duplicates. If one ships Python 2.7.3 and another ships 2.7.4, there'll be a lot of almost-duplicated files that technically identical. > But even more problematic... if there's a security vulnerability in Python, > would you rather wait for the vulnerability to patched once in a central > Python binary, or individually in each and every single Python script that > comes with a bundled Python binary? This is exactly the problem that sandboxing "fixes", though. As soon as you upgrade the central Python binary, you risk breaking that application that depended on the exact version that it shipped with. Encouraging laziness and sloppy versioning, IMO. >> Also >> the applications have no way to communicate outside their respective >> sandboxes. They can't access each others' files, for example. > > If two applications can both write to the file system, they can communicate. > If they have sufficient file system privileges, they can even reach into > each other's bundle and modify anything they want. If you chroot to the sandbox, they shouldn't be able to. (Not to say there's no such thing as chroot leakage, of course, but they shouldn't.) >> Personally, I tend to stick to this package management strategy: install >> whatever is available with yum and write the rest yourself. > > +0.8 on that. Sometimes I install software outside of the package management > system, but I always feel a tad dirty when I do so :-) I don't. There's plenty that I've done that way - but only ever applications, or libraries that completely don't exist in the repos. I've never installed a newer version of a library than I can get from repo. ChrisA
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| From | Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> |
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| Date | 2014-08-01 18:13 +0300 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs |
| Message-ID | <87zjfonsy2.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> |
| In reply to | #75470 |
Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info>: > Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> If you have ten Python apps, you'll have ten Python installations. > > A horrible thought. Hard drives are cheap, but not that cheap Well, iPhones aren't *that* expensive... >> Also the applications have no way to communicate outside their >> respective sandboxes. They can't access each others' files, for >> example. > > If two applications can both write to the file system, They can't. They are sandboxed. My WP8 phone has Python3 installed. Absolutely useless since it can't get out of its sandbox (except for Microsoft's cloud drive, I think). Marko
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| From | Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2014-08-06 14:38 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <20140806143853.4ae3c37a34f8f9a482d3ce2e@gmx.net> |
| In reply to | #75463 |
> > Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS, > > TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the > > bottomless cesspit of "package management" and/or "installers". > > > > Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an > > entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any "packages" or > > "installers" to use it. > > You mean everyone has to reinvent the proverbial wheel AND worry about > dependency collisions? Yeah, that's a heavenly thought. You should get a clue in stead of just fantasizing up assumptions based on ignorance. Sincerely, Wolfgang
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-06 22:51 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12700.1407329511.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #75795 |
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> wrote: >> > Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS, >> > TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the >> > bottomless cesspit of "package management" and/or "installers". >> > >> > Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an >> > entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any "packages" or >> > "installers" to use it. >> >> You mean everyone has to reinvent the proverbial wheel AND worry about >> dependency collisions? Yeah, that's a heavenly thought. > > You should get a clue in stead of just fantasizing up assumptions based > on ignorance. I've worked with a number of operating systems, a number of dependency management systems, and a number of absences of such systems. I stand by my earlier statements in this thread, and I think I have a fairly good clue about what does and doesn't work in terms of installers. There is one way to avoid most of the duplication and still make every application perfectly self-contained. You simply decree that there are no dependencies permitted except for the base OS itself and what it provides. As long as that's a rich enough set of tools, everything can work (that's what seems to be happening on mobile platforms, for instance). But it does mean that any unusual dependencies have to be considered part of the app, and that means duplication. ChrisA
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| From | Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2014-08-11 11:08 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <20140811110836.7cf2a4dad3f6d671cc0e73ef@gmx.net> |
| In reply to | #75799 |
> >> > Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS, > >> > TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the > >> > bottomless cesspit of "package management" and/or "installers". > >> > > >> > Because on such operating systems, each and every application is > >> > an entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any > >> > "packages" or "installers" to use it. > >> > >> You mean everyone has to reinvent the proverbial wheel AND worry > >> about dependency collisions? Yeah, that's a heavenly thought. > > > > You should get a clue in stead of just fantasizing up assumptions > > based on ignorance. > > I've worked with a number of operating systems, a number of dependency > management systems, and a number of absences of such systems. I stand > by my earlier statements in this thread, Then you seem to have a problem with elementary logical reasoning. Your above statement (about "re-inventing the wheel AND worrying about dependency collisions") is totally illogical nonsense. Just one issue: MacOS application have always been far more compact (both on disk and in RAM) than comparable Windows or Unix counterparts. "Despite" the fact that they where GUI applications since MacOS 1.0. No one has to "re-invent" any more wheels to develop a MacOS X application than he has to do for a Windows or Linux application. In fact, usually, there are less wheels to re-invent for MacOS X. Next: The self-contained nature of applications is obviously exactly what *eliminates* dependency collisions. Sincerely, Wolfgang
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| From | Nicholas Cole <nicholas.cole@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-01 15:28 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.12513.1406903344.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #75462 |
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> wrote: >> Thankfully, all actually user-friendly operating systems (MacOS, >> TOS, RiscOS, probably AmigaOS, MacOS X) spare(d) their users the >> bottomless cesspit of "package management" and/or "installers". >> >> Because on such operating systems, each and every application is an >> entirely self-contained package that doesn't need any "packages" or >> "installers" to use it. > > You mean everyone has to reinvent the proverbial wheel AND worry about > dependency collisions? Yeah, that's a heavenly thought. Actually, that's not right. RiscOS had and OS X has (I'm sure the others do as well) a concept that is similar to a shared library. But the joy of an application bundle is that installing an application does not scatter its own files all over the file-system, putting configuration files here, binary resources there, library files somewhere else, executable files somewhere else again. The result on one of these other systems is that uninstalling an application is a simple matter of deleting the relevant bundle, which contains all of the resources necessary for that application. All that remains are whatever files exist within user directories. I've worked with both. Quite honestly, I really wish that other operating systems had gone down this route. MS didn't possibly to make it harder to steal software, and Unix...well, *nix has the concept of the "distribution" that will manage all of this for you. We all know the problems that this causes. N.
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