Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!209.197.12.246.MISMATCH!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!news-out.readnews.com!transit3.readnews.com!panix!roy From: Roy Smith Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:52:56 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <4d9c5ca5$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87tyebf3r3.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <4d9d6a4a$0$29992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <6Nknp.10080$lx3.7480@newsfe02.iad> <4d9e6551$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4da0f1e1$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4da6fe5e$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4da7abad$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1302835977 12835 127.0.0.1 (15 Apr 2011 02:52:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 02:52:57 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (Intel Mac OS X) Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:3241 In article <4da7abad$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > What they give is ubiquity, which is a point in their favour. But just > because something is common doesn't make it useful: for the most part > both are used for style over substance, of sizzle without sausage, rather > than anything actually useful or desirable: think of a misfeature that > *degrades* the user-experience, and chances are it's implemented in Flash > or Javascript on tens of thousands of sites. There's certainly a lot to hate about JS (and even more so, flash), but they fill a niche. They provide a way to have better user interaction than you could with just forms and a submit button. That's not to say there's not lot of sucky shit build with them. But, if they didn't exist, something else would have to take their place. I don't see JS going away any time soon. Flash, on the other hand, is an unadulterated pile of dung.