Path: csiph.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 12:21:20 -0500 From: Wildman Subject: Re: Moderation and slight change of (de facto) policy Newsgroups: comp.lang.python References: <5713C08F.3010207@timgolden.me.uk> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEUAAACooKFZVVbCwsIBAQE 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 Organization: Wildman Productions X-No-Trolls: Yes X-OS-Version: SolydX 8 x86_64 GNU/Linux User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 12:21:20 -0500 Lines: 61 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-G5oyqJL/3mNolKtN01sdm1hvtHvYTw/5wiCT1tka257Y/wZcOvANNlzjam5L7u9ymUk5sGPb6/Qd4mY!GebOSLb0DD70uPUc2lcpAA7aozBkPL98P1zRfE/2t5AOkMk20LCUoNuBBapQF4IHnZBRlTTHkN4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 5143 X-Received-Bytes: 5255 X-Received-Body-CRC: 694696567 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:107187 On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:57:51 +0100, Tim Golden wrote: > There's been a bit of chatter lately about the moderation on the Python > List (and, indirectly, comp.lang.python). The list moderators have > suspended a couple of posters for a while and we've been discussing a > little our policy towards non-subscribed posts. > > First, a quick summary of the current settings of the list: > > * Any post from someone who's not subscribed to the list is held for > moderation > > * Subscribers are also held for moderation until a moderator clears that > flag (which we usually do on the first post, unless there's some doubt). > This is basically to prevent canny spammers from signing up and then > posting garbage. > > * There are a few other rules which will cause posts to be held for > moderation: unduly large posts, certain odd headers, large-scale > cross-posting, etc. > > * All attachments are stripped > > Exactly how held posts are handled is down to each moderator: generally, > though, it's quite obvious as most spam is very blatant. Occasionally, > of course, we have a post which borders on (or is clearly) > objectionable, and we have to decide whether to reject it at source or > to let it through and let the community deal. > > Our approach to non-subscribed posts has been to let them through if > they're clearly genuine, ie non-spam. However, as has been pointed out > recently, this can quite easily result in useful advice falling on deaf > ears. The OP isn't subscribed to the list, may not be reading it via > gmane/ggroups etc. and may simply expect people to cc them directly. The > list subscribers have no way of knowing whether someone's subscribed or > not, so they reply to the List. And, of course, some people object to > cc-ing individuals as well as the List. > > Our new approach (from as soon as we set it up) will be to reject > unsubscribed posts with a friendly message indicating how to subscribe. > The only exception we expect to make is if we spot a regular subscriber > who's come in on a different address for some reason (eg posting from a > phone). > > The main effect, we hope, will be that people asking questions actually > see the answers. Of course, as we've seen in the past, some people will > be confounded by the way in which a mailing list works (ie that they see > all the chatter going through not just the answers to their question). > But I don't see there's very much we can do about that except to help > them to understand how it works. > > In general, please feel free to feed back to the list owners. Like > everyone around here, we're all volunteers so we can't guarantee to > respond in any particular timeframe, but we'll try. > > TJG How will this change affect posts to comp.lang.python? -- GNU/Linux user #557453