Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!us.feeder.erje.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: Grant Edwards Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Instead of deciding between Python or Lisp for a programming intro course...What about an intro course that uses *BOTH*? Good idea? Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 14:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <02dba7aa-8466-4937-a8d8-82ffd03e5568@googlegroups.com> <55502919$0$12997$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <281c0f90-8353-4480-93d3-9c656505cc61@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67-130-15-94.dia.static.qwest.net X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1431354945 27739 67.130.15.94 (11 May 2015 14:35:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 14:35:45 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/1.0.1 (Linux) Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:90386 On 2015-05-11, Skip Montanaro wrote: > Don't CS departments still have a computer languages survey class? When I > was a graduate student at Iowa in the early 80s, we had one. (It was, as I > recall, an upper level undergrad course. I didn't get into CS until > graduate school, so went back to filled in some missing stuff.) I don't > recall all the languages we touched on, but ISTR there were five or six. I > know we hit Lisp (today, it would likely be Scheme), and probably APL > (today it would probably be Python+Pandas, MATLAB, R, or something similar). There was a similar class at both Iowa State and University of MN. You learned a half-dozen languages in a single quarter. IIRC, at ISU we did Lisp, Prolog, APL, Snobol and a couple others. The main pedagogical language at the time was Pascal, but we also learned FORTRAN, COBOL, BASIC, and a couple three assembly languages (PDP-11, VAX, Z80, 6502). If you were a computer enineering major instead of computer science, you also leared a hardware description language. At the time it was AHPL. More recent gruaduates only seem to know one language (Java or C++) and are completely baffled by anything else. And don't get me started on that damned noise they call music... -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! ! Now I understand at advanced MICROBIOLOGY and gmail.com th' new TAX REFORM laws!!