Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.albasani.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.098 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.81; '*S*': 0.00; 'mrab': 0.05; '*you*': 0.16; ':-p': 0.16; 'keys.': 0.16; 'received:74.208.4.195': 0.16; 'those,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'cheap': 0.19; 'machine': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'certainly': 0.24; 'keyboard': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; "i'm": 0.30; '+0100,': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'not.': 0.33; 'except': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'ibm': 0.36; 'marks': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'mine': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'card': 0.63; 'different': 0.65; 'close': 0.67; 'believe': 0.68; 'received:74.208': 0.68; 'touch': 0.74; 'friend': 0.79; 'sony': 0.84; 'dell,': 0.91 Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 23:27:12 -0400 From: Dave Angel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Fortran References: <87ha50hagu.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <536b8411$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <536b9308$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <536bab23$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <536f2227$0$29980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <871tw0s2kl.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <536FBBE0.9040902@stoneleaf.us> <53700493$0$29980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <53701fcd$0$29980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: <53701fcd$0$29980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:AeZqhpdcgFBu1E5N8rooRh041koZpE0DU06HdoFNKwg BcbTV0kPPpW/DuawFNkbIzqGpOo8kRpA6IxHONnvurpVymCyXD LanJEE8gMJIQojkFyWqSBrVB9FkWWaXFCo4QRI4DZYh2VbI2sF 8PRkigfNm5r38O0bKsCD9sXHWRZtYM7kqOv7oEzSECz7I5edQO w/icA5CqwuFNjwsfiwvX/kYAgYaf445Zk53QzH39CxDrlFiPhk 0MTAnv15+VaAvHsRU/fNf2NxY/aIR2S23RRgE1piT8mf4JBfzT 7AZkbpl+JPApZV1asOsgjiOAmiMRnMH6qx3ny9t1s4OR412oQ= = X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1399865248 news.xs4all.nl 2844 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:49346 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:71364 On 05/11/2014 09:11 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, 12 May 2014 00:51:01 +0100, MRAB wrote: > > > Certainly not. However they may be different where *you* are :-P > > I'm using an IBM keyboard, model SK-8820. > > >> Mine have an little ridge on the keytop of those keys. > > I've seen keyboards with those, but not many. > > My experience has been the exact opposite. Except for very cheap keyboards, I believe the standard marks have been on F and J on every keyboard I've encountered (USA) in the past 30 years. They certainly are on my two Thinkpads, two Toshibas, a Dell, and an IOGear keyboard. They're also on the 5 key of the keypads for a credit card machine and remotes from Sony and Samsung. Not all Sony's, though; some are defective. I had a close friend who is blind and deaf, and counted on those marks to touch type. -- DaveA