Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'scipy': 0.05; 'widely': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'computing,': 0.07; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'spec': 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; 'mostly': 0.14; 'thread': 0.14; 'effect,': 0.16; 'infinitely': 0.16; 'oddly': 0.16; 'rarely': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'library': 0.18; "python's": 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; '>>>': 0.22; '(in': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'documented': 0.24; 'module,': 0.24; '---': 0.24; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'mention': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'especially': 0.30; 'ctypes': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'libraries': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'languages': 0.32; 'actively': 0.33; 'standards': 0.33; 'updated': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'accessing': 0.36; 'so,': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'wonderful': 0.60; 'free': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'today,': 0.61; 'viruses': 0.61; 'protection': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'antivirus': 0.68; 'smith': 0.68; 'system)': 0.69; 'subjectcharset:utf-8': 0.72; 'article': 0.77; 'subject:have': 0.80; 'bliss': 0.84; 'niches': 0.84; 'routines': 0.84; 'standards.': 0.84; 'joy,': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: The =?UTF-8?B?w6LigqzFk2RvZXMgUHl0aG9uIGhhdmUgdmFyaWFibGVzP8Oi?= =?UTF-8?B?4oKs55GpIGRlYmF0ZQ==?= Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 01:03:00 +0100 References: <87ha50hagu.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <536b8411$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <536b9308$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <536bab23$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <536c3049$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-20-252.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140509-2, 09/05/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1399680201 news.xs4all.nl 2926 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59454 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:71203 On 10/05/2014 00:51, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > On Thu, 08 May 2014 22:21:25 -0400, Roy Smith declaimed the > following: > >> In article <536c3049$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, >> Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> >>> Although Fortran is still in use, and widely so, it is mostly used for >>> accessing existing Fortran libraries rather than writing new >>> applications. There may be niches where that does not hold, where people >>> are actively writing new applications in Fortran, but they are niches. >>> Today, Fortran is rarely used for general purpose computing, updated >>> standards or no updated standards. >> >> Oddly enough, my current use of Fortran is via Python. The scipy and >> statsmodels libraries use Fortran routines under the covers. > > To me, that is NOT "use of Fortran"... It is nothing more than the use > of a /library with a documented calling spec (API)/. > > That the library was written in Fortran is irrelevant. Especially if > one is working a VMS system where all the languages had features for > calling functions written on others (in effect, the equivalent of Python's > ctypes module, as a general commonality on the system) > Oh the joy, a tedious, repetative thread is made infinitely better by the mention of three wonderful letters, V, M and S. What bliss :) -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com