Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'scipy': 0.05; 'widely': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'computing,': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'spec': 0.09; 'mostly': 0.14; '>in': 0.16; 'effect,': 0.16; 'message- id:@4ax.com': 0.16; 'rarely': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'library': 0.18; "python's": 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; '(in': 0.22; 'documented': 0.24; 'module,': 0.24; 'url:home': 0.24; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'especially': 0.30; 'ctypes': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'libraries': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'languages': 0.32; 'actively': 0.33; 'standards': 0.33; 'updated': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'accessing': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'so,': 0.37; 'received:76': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'new': 0.61; 'today,': 0.61; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'smith': 0.68; 'system)': 0.69; 'subjectcharset:utf-8': 0.72; 'article': 0.77; 'subject:have': 0.80; 'niches': 0.84; 'routines': 0.84; 'standards.': 0.84; 'subject::': 0.85 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Dennis Lee Bieber Subject: Re: =?utf-8?Q?The_=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93does_Pytho?= =?utf-8?Q?n_have_variables=3F=C3=A2?= =?utf-8?Q?=E2=82=AC=E7=91=A9_debate?= Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 19:51:56 -0400 Organization: IISS Elusive Unicorn References: <87ha50hagu.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <536b8411$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <536b9308$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <536bab23$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <536c3049$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-76-249-21-93.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1399679526 news.xs4all.nl 2963 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54015 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:71201 On Thu, 08 May 2014 22:21:25 -0400, Roy Smith declaimed the following: >In article <536c3049$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> Although Fortran is still in use, and widely so, it is mostly used for >> accessing existing Fortran libraries rather than writing new >> applications. There may be niches where that does not hold, where people >> are actively writing new applications in Fortran, but they are niches. >> Today, Fortran is rarely used for general purpose computing, updated >> standards or no updated standards. > >Oddly enough, my current use of Fortran is via Python. The scipy and >statsmodels libraries use Fortran routines under the covers. To me, that is NOT "use of Fortran"... It is nothing more than the use of a /library with a documented calling spec (API)/. That the library was written in Fortran is irrelevant. Especially if one is working a VMS system where all the languages had features for calling functions written on others (in effect, the equivalent of Python's ctypes module, as a general commonality on the system) -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/