Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'binary': 0.07; 'suppose': 0.07; 'php,': 0.09; 'processing,': 0.09; 'ruby,': 0.09; 'someone,': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'binary.': 0.16; 'freebsd,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'hadoop,': 0.16; 'massively': 0.16; 'petabytes': 0.16; 'solaris,': 0.16; 'url:oreilly': 0.16; 'employer': 0.16; 'all.': 0.16; 'do,': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'written': 0.21; 'code,': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'basis,': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'changes,': 0.26; 'compiled': 0.26; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'then.': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'argue': 0.31; 'os,': 0.31; 'perl': 0.31; 'this.': 0.32; 'regular': 0.32; 'fri,': 0.33; 'mac': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'knows': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'data,': 0.36; 'depends': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'ago,': 0.61; 'success': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'making': 0.63; 'hear': 0.63; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'yes': 0.68; 'nobody': 0.68; 'past,': 0.68; 'url:a': 0.72; 'special': 0.74; 'yourself': 0.78; 'subject:have': 0.80; 'experience!': 0.84; 'url:tim': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92; 'browse': 0.95 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=P3wJHPFP4S5CaIzSCI+tfAt2qFQBPFH4bmdM8usHTLY=; b=w71GfwolTmHk2mHJCL0P5/orbMQhjZfZxLIVfNLP+mO3XMBZRr/Ey522a6R0Bo9gCw po7+3Z7JssTytJrj63Du+4VZozfGEcQWkV5B1983zZ34YF8SYm107vpacuZYipszwS9C fMXdr2Zl382aw+xVWqRVyTeacNWJoFkAdGU1R9X6/uPbz7dQJ1eHdZ4NfUVB7N37S0Zf 37C2XjTSUfQDKgVfBhKdFOa9JU/j8NLzQvQY0v/KWr/w6ka2M3MGM/ACXyJZL/LWTpKC h17JDzFVbbPCfJjDLYB6Lprj5eZBjdjP0aVH8l1mH+YD6aQxV1nGTW1uKcVEQtNSiSYD zGiQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.78.231 with SMTP id e7mr5605106vdx.28.1399614697313; Thu, 08 May 2014 22:51:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <87tx91warf.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <85eh05cdjx.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <87ha50hagu.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <536b8411$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <536b9308$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <536bab23$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <536c3049$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 15:51:37 +1000 Subject: Re: The "does Python have variables?" debate From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1399614700 news.xs4all.nl 2877 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34762 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:71155 On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: >> I'd like to argue that you're not using Fortran, then. You're making >> use of it in the same way that I might make use of Ruby, PHP, and Perl >> when I browse the web > > Yes one can argue so > But one can also argue that this is a 1990s viewpoint > http://oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/tim/articles/paradigmshift_0504.html Okay, so at what point do you stop using Fortran? Suppose the original Fortran code was all compiled to binary years and years ago, and nobody touches it. Nobody even knows that it was ever written in Fortran; the existing binaries need no changes, or if they do, they get edited directly in the binary. You're writing a Python program that interacts with this. Sure, your success depends on someone, some time in the past, having written Fortran (or FORTRAN) code, but you're not yourself using that language at all. Or can I put on my resume that I use, on a regular basis, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Mac OS, and Solaris, and I make extensive use of Hadoop, map/reduce across petabytes of data, massively parallel processing, and special relativity? I'm sure an employer would *love* to hear from someone with all of that experience! ChrisA