Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.albasani.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'languages,': 0.04; 'languages.': 0.04; 'scipy': 0.05; 'widely': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'computing,': 0.07; 'php,': 0.09; 'ruby,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'mostly': 0.14; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'oddly': 0.16; 'rarely': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'then.': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'argue': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'libraries': 0.31; 'perl': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'running': 0.33; 'actively': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'standards': 0.33; 'updated': 0.34; "i'd": 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'accessing': 0.36; 'so,': 0.37; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'new': 0.61; 'today,': 0.61; 'information,': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'making': 0.63; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'smith': 0.68; 'subjectcharset:utf-8': 0.72; 'article': 0.77; 'subject:have': 0.80; 'niches': 0.84; 'routines': 0.84; 'seeing,': 0.84; 'standards.': 0.84; 'writing,': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92; 'browse': 0.95 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=wYOQmAzZobc9CnJp7RhBtT6XRjKSR3D2MbOEjsKMtxs=; b=ldZ4cDNLfD0decS+ssC7uvkKHuo5f1gopRtSHIX72rzrMiJy8/L3EN3SukxSJwkzWt WZ+BFzXo5TVc/b7Chm+H3K+bzODjfhqF2xki0KEjgZlkeSfkHO358EXG5nYC08qC8h6U Kn6PHnh60k/RmKS3fMFxma6bJfdc6AFZKGI1Ii7hi2+N+djpr5e+1QqDDsqBRj3m55kV y/QtrM6KIRVnN1l0CPaOgg9B0igRePAnZdUTx5ys+WzSAjrMmuKMyrDii3FhFX+EyfdC DONuuqQbAnOM8LxXe/jow7OJb/0r/2Q2bPvKZ7gg1Iz+ygGGz+nNoqiR0j/uncuS0y+w VjKA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.53.1.69 with SMTP id be5mr4906509vdd.27.1399602716788; Thu, 08 May 2014 19:31:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <87tx91warf.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <85eh05cdjx.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <87ha50hagu.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <536b8411$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <536b9308$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <536bab23$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <536c3049$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 12:31:56 +1000 Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFRoZSDigJxkb2VzIFB5dGhvbiBoYXZlIHZhcmlhYmxlcz/igJ0gZGViYXRl?= From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1399602724 news.xs4all.nl 2866 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33087 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:71148 On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Roy Smith wrote: > In article <536c3049$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> Although Fortran is still in use, and widely so, it is mostly used for >> accessing existing Fortran libraries rather than writing new >> applications. There may be niches where that does not hold, where people >> are actively writing new applications in Fortran, but they are niches. >> Today, Fortran is rarely used for general purpose computing, updated >> standards or no updated standards. > > Oddly enough, my current use of Fortran is via Python. The scipy and > statsmodels libraries use Fortran routines under the covers. I'd like to argue that you're not using Fortran, then. You're making use of it in the same way that I might make use of Ruby, PHP, and Perl when I browse the web - the other end is running those languages, ergo I am depending on them for my information, but I'm not actually seeing, much less writing, any code in those languages. ChrisA