Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.017 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'url:pipermail': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'variables,': 0.16; 'folks': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; "python's": 0.19; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; '---': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'explained': 0.31; 'layer': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.33; 'accessible': 0.36; 'next': 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'thank': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'free': 0.61; 'viruses': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'protection': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'great': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'details': 0.65; 'between': 0.67; 'antivirus': 0.68; 'email,': 0.69; 'subject:have': 0.80; 'ethan': 0.84; 'furman': 0.84; 'regarded': 0.84; 'received:89': 0.85; 'differences': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: The =?windows-1252?Q?=93does_Python_have_variables=3F=94?= =?windows-1252?Q?_debate?= Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 01:47:22 +0100 References: <235C4BFA-9770-481A-9FCF-21C3F036769C@gmail.com> <5368681D.8070602@islandtraining.com> <85zjiuea37.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <8738gmxgay.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87tx91warf.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <536C1BC5.6000905@stoneleaf.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-89-240-164-202.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 In-Reply-To: <536C1BC5.6000905@stoneleaf.us> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140508-1, 08/05/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1399596462 news.xs4all.nl 2862 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34823 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:71139 On 09/05/2014 01:05, Ethan Furman wrote: > Back when I was trying to learn the differences between Python's > name-binding and C-like variables, a couple folks stepped up and > provided great assistance. > > This first email, while delving into details that are not accessible in > Python, still helped a great deal: > > https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2009-February/526880.html > > > This next explained why the previous, while accurate from a CS > standpoint, was not useful in Python as Python simply does not allow > access to one of the layers, so trying to think about that layer when > working with Python is not productive: > > https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2009-February/526909.html > > -- > ~Ethan~ Please, please can the link directly above be regarded as the final, final say on this matter? Thank you in anticipation. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com