Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.022 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'url:pipermail': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'message-id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'received:69.93': 0.16; 'variables,': 0.16; 'folks': 0.16; 'trying': 0.19; "python's": 0.19; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'explained': 0.31; 'layer': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.33; 'accessible': 0.36; 'next': 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'received:173': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'great': 0.65; 'details': 0.65; 'between': 0.67; 'email,': 0.69; 'subjectcharset:utf-8': 0.72; 'subject:have': 0.80; 'received:gateway02.websitewelcome.com': 0.91; 'differences': 0.93 Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 17:05:25 -0700 From: Ethan Furman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: The =?UTF-8?B?4oCcZG9lcyBQeXRob24gaGF2ZSB2YXJpYWJsZXM/4oCdIGQ=?= =?UTF-8?B?ZWJhdGU=?= References: <235C4BFA-9770-481A-9FCF-21C3F036769C@gmail.com> <5368681D.8070602@islandtraining.com> <85zjiuea37.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <8738gmxgay.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87tx91warf.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> In-Reply-To: <87tx91warf.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator3304.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stoneleaf.us X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 173.12.184.233 X-Exim-ID: 1WiYJZ-0002E3-Ng X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([173.12.184.233]) [173.12.184.233]:60141 X-Source-Auth: ethan+stoneleaf.us X-Email-Count: 2 X-Source-Cap: dG9idWs7dG9idWs7Z2F0b3IzMzA0Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1399595191 news.xs4all.nl 2842 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56492 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:71138 Back when I was trying to learn the differences between Python's name-binding and C-like variables, a couple folks stepped up and provided great assistance. This first email, while delving into details that are not accessible in Python, still helped a great deal: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2009-February/526880.html This next explained why the previous, while accurate from a CS standpoint, was not useful in Python as Python simply does not allow access to one of the layers, so trying to think about that layer when working with Python is not productive: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2009-February/526909.html -- ~Ethan~