Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'beginner': 0.05; 'that?': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'responding': 0.07; 'variables': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'throws': 0.09; 'whatever.': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'anybody.': 0.16; 'being,': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'fire,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'ignore': 0.16; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'certainly': 0.24; "haven't": 0.24; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'topic': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'men': 0.31; 'raised': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'up.': 0.33; 'point.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'raising': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'so,': 0.37; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'catch': 0.60; 'up,': 0.60; 'you.': 0.62; 'back': 0.62; 'term': 0.63; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'manner': 0.72; 'subjectcharset:utf-8': 0.72; 'special': 0.74; 'yourself': 0.78; 'subject:have': 0.80; 'hostile': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: The =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=9Cdoes?= Python have =?utf-8?Q?variables?= =?utf-8?Q?=3F=E2=80=9D?= debate Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 05:14:35 +1000 References: <235C4BFA-9770-481A-9FCF-21C3F036769C@gmail.com> <5368681D.8070602@islandtraining.com> <85zjiuea37.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <8738gmxgay.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87tx91warf.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <85eh05cdjx.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <87ha50hagu.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <8738gkh42a.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:JtTt0CZj1op3qoThQB4OQd3Gerk= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1399576495 news.xs4all.nl 2868 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36395 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:71120 Marko Rauhamaa writes: > Ben Finney : > > > Who does that? I haven't seen anyone raising this topic with a > > beginner in a hostile manner (“flogging”? why the hyperbole?), and > > it's certainly not characteristic of how the topic is raised here. > > Flogging, spanking, admonishing, whatever. So, you just continue asserting that, without responding to a request to back it up. > > I don't know what your point is, but please don't prop up straw men to > > make it. > > Does that count as admonishing, at least? Yes, I admonished you. > Point being, shunning the term "variable" is counterproductive. Python > variables are nothing special and calling them "variables" doesn't > mislead anybody. Okay, that's your point. You haven't backed it up, so I'll ignore it for now. -- \ “If you ever catch on fire, try to avoid seeing yourself in the | `\ mirror, because I bet that's what REALLY throws you into a | _o__) panic.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney