Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'true,': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'failing': 0.07; 'reason,': 0.07; 'variables': 0.07; 'obsolete': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; '"python': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'personally,': 0.16; 'those,': 0.16; 'well- known': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'version.': 0.19; 'examples': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'helpful': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; '(for': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'fixed': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'statement': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'agreed.': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'pascal': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'fri,': 0.33; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'shorter': 0.36; 'either': 0.39; 'most': 0.60; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'subjectcharset:utf-8': 0.72; 'subject:have': 0.80; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=l28LWK5DY+TKvDmv5nobKKq534Dh/qcOtTDY1SDm9R8=; b=F3HWjqgmIDJS4fxutUaxRfNiSoMKvt/vn0U+j3Yhx7JUsjY16VvgBjbNrdVFC0UxTb X77sN3ELnoOYoKh2G4nd+ahdhHPjxRkHqhCzcn/ZNC+Wt2LyIc/SN5WUBe7mzuZYpMO4 bxTZhgQ656lcZtXtzqA31rOs0XDu5EkxWb/iBJ4GTK8UEzjeP/Oefy5FOx0ZFIG337mb nNIi/EJd1jkavvTibZ/PNvzlkM7LlE9GCfLruJOFITMucy3cXEohKV4y+qdDbh2IcOFt BQszVosIspgh0IJFyC/nmIRm5q9topJ9y4BAFEXCLVDJ2ms7sQTECH68Sz+0ST9TmJ6U Ga1w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.156.39 with SMTP id wb7mr40130vdb.97.1399565447912; Thu, 08 May 2014 09:10:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <536bab23$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <235C4BFA-9770-481A-9FCF-21C3F036769C@gmail.com> <5368681D.8070602@islandtraining.com> <85zjiuea37.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <8738gmxgay.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87tx91warf.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <85eh05cdjx.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <87ha50hagu.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <536b8411$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <536b9308$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <536bab23$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 02:10:47 +1000 Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFRoZSDigJxkb2VzIFB5dGhvbiBoYXZlIHZhcmlhYmxlcz/igJ0gZGViYXRl?= From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1399565456 news.xs4all.nl 2940 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48677 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:71113 On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Personally, I think that trying to be general and talk about "many other > languages" is a failing strategy. Better to be concrete: C, Pascal, > Algol, Fortran, VB (I think) are good examples of the "value in a box at > a fixed location" model. Of those, Algol, Pascal and Fortran are either > obsolete or legacy, and C is by far the most well-known by people here. > (For some reason, few people seem to migrate from VB to Python.) Hence, > "C-like". Agreed. So long as the statement is "Python doesn't have variables", I'm going to have to disagree; but "Python doesn't have variables the way C does" is definitely true, and probably as helpful as the shorter version. ChrisA