Path: csiph.com!eeepc.pasdenom.info!news.pasdenom.info!news.dougwise.org!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'preferred.': 0.04; 'python?': 0.05; 'terry': 0.07; 'also:': 0.09; 'content- type:multipart/signed': 0.09; 'quoting': 0.09; 'pm,': 0.12; 'am,': 0.13; 'wrote:': 0.14; '(at)': 0.16; '(dot)': 0.16; 'alex23': 0.16; 'badly.': 0.16; 'better:': 0.16; 'bytecode': 0.16; 'content- type:application/pgp-signature': 0.16; 'filename:fname piece:asc': 0.16; 'filename:fname piece:signature': 0.16; 'filename:fname:signature.asc': 0.16; 'slower': 0.16; 'subject:function': 0.16; 'weighed': 0.16; 'so.': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.23; 'all.': 0.24; 'subject:please': 0.24; 'things.': 0.24; 'code': 0.25; 'not.': 0.25; "i'm": 0.28; 'hansen': 0.30; 'rick': 0.30; 'showed': 0.30; 'preferred': 0.30; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.31; '...': 0.31; 'says': 0.31; 'else': 0.32; 'received:209.85.161': 0.33; 'does': 0.33; 'wrong.': 0.34; 'things': 0.34; 'someone': 0.34; 'yet': 0.34; 'whether': 0.34; 'point': 0.35; 'points': 0.36; 'solid': 0.36; 'else,': 0.36; 'received:24': 0.36; 'basic': 0.37; 'blog:': 0.37; 'telling': 0.37; 'two': 0.38; 'received:209.85': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'stephen': 0.38; 'end': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.39; 'not,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'fully': 0.40; 'art': 0.63; 'prefer': 0.65; 'mail:': 0.67; 'reply- to:no real name:2**0': 0.72; 'header:Reply-To:1': 0.72; 'identical,': 0.84; 'indignation': 0.84; 'readability': 0.84; 'subject:Easy': 0.84; 'utterly': 0.84; 'worthy': 0.84; 'evil': 0.91; 'inability': 0.91; 'url:io': 0.93; 'technically': 0.95 Sender: Ixokai Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 00:45:59 -0800 From: Stephen Hansen MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Easy function, please help. References: <8e0efff7-4d38-4a85-9653-2178388603d4@y36g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <87oc6l8z1y.fsf@rudin.co.uk> <4D533C56.8030804@stoneleaf.us> <4D5417D6.2010906@stoneleaf.us> <559d4363-c663-4924-823e-ef5866842985@n16g2000prc.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <559d4363-c663-4924-823e-ef5866842985@n16g2000prc.googlegroups.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=555B1FE5; url=http://id.ixokai.io/pub.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigDC01C4EFA20BA340C3528993" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: me+list/python@ixokai.io List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 72 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1297413971 news.xs4all.nl 32470 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:51774 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:55514 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigDC01C4EFA20BA340C3528993 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/10/11 7:34 PM, alex23 wrote: > rantingrick wrote: >> 1. When has 2 bytecode instructions EVER out weighed a solid >> readability feature's incorporation into Python? >=20 > The original point was whether or not the code is identical, which > Terry showed it was not. Rick does not understand what "identical" means. Its a complicated word. "Same" and "exactly the same" and "equivalent" are all also terms of art that are not fully comprehended. Someone says that these two things are the same. Terry points out that they are not, in fact, the same at all. He does not make a value judgment on what is better or not better: or what is preferred or not preferred. He simply points out: they are not the same. Everyone else understands that something may be different from something else, and yet in the end we prefer what is technically slower -- because it is more readable. Everyone else may understand that something may be different from something else, and yet arguing that they are THE SAME is worthy of an objection, because it is simply, factually, wrong. Cue Rick selectively quoting and telling me what it is I'm saying (while utterly proving his inability to read basic English), and righteous indignation about how bad I am as one of the Evil Ones of python-list. Doing... bad things. Badly. Because, I, er, am, bad. Bad. BAD. CUZ. RICK. SAYS. SO. --=20 Stephen Hansen ... Also: Ixokai ... Mail: me+list/python (AT) ixokai (DOT) io ... 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