Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.008 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'output': 0.05; 'correct,': 0.09; 'oh,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'library),': 0.16; 'naming': 0.16; 'parameters,': 0.16; 'pointers,': 0.16; 'python",': 0.16; 'python".': 0.16; 'semantically': 0.16; 'subject:variable': 0.16; 'tuple.': 0.16; 'for?': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; "shouldn't": 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'lines': 0.31; 'usually': 0.31; 'though.': 0.31; 'values.': 0.31; 'cases': 0.33; 'implemented': 0.33; 'common': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'returning': 0.36; 'words,': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'even': 0.60; 'then,': 0.60; "you're": 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'worth': 0.66; 'absolutely.': 0.84; 'characters,': 0.84; '"how': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=AvJRsVWwM2r1mIMtFwW7bL/jjqesZkqRiEzbYqXrowM=; b=xRPrUY4eKERN5jMRYg7D6GfzgRpQQY4Aysski+eYKa4a8ZdDzQf8A5V94qXq2QfdXb kxWqPjWXjPG5Js0dUvwEdJb7GfqIE63FG07v7QXd8bMbKb0gDrVwK6Og28UP/jI2DY87 2JLc2sd7VSbLRXGZV41INCNSZATpcRrEgZ5fCsMMmO5P7A563kkaQFYsdb3UFwH85Ayj UR6l0IiKfV2fmYl6f/4e5y8xAtrvyJcqL87syTYQEO2j30IHq8VKW8K86VXzkdOSb2wk gdpU54/HZEDsEextfaHfUAhsuyBfbamyYbh/zbFVBnQwqmJi5qw0LwRVJ3yYkmjSXogc 4DIA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.116.175 with SMTP id jx15mr26168433veb.9.1399373120723; Tue, 06 May 2014 03:45:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87eh07i44p.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> References: <53689aeb$0$11109$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <87lhufi85o.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87eh07i44p.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 20:45:20 +1000 Subject: Re: Pass variable by reference From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1399373123 news.xs4all.nl 2934 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60256 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:70955 On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Chris Angelico : > >>> characters, words, lines = stats.read() >> >> That's not really pass-by-reference, though. What you're doing is >> output parameters, which are usually implemented in C with pointers, >> but in Python with a return tuple. > > Correct, but it is worth questioning the question itself: what do you > need pass-by-reference for? A very common case is returning multiple > values. For that, Python has other idioms available. Oh, absolutely. As in many other cases, you shouldn't ask "How do I do in Python", but should ask "How do I accomplish in Python". Only in a few cases is the first question reasonable (eg "How do I call this function from Python", naming some function from a C library), and even then, it's semantically arguable. ChrisA