Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.018 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; '"this': 0.03; '(b)': 0.07; 'granted,': 0.07; 'windows,': 0.09; '*with': 0.16; '-tkc': 0.16; 'blank,': 0.16; 'crammed': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; 'garbage': 0.16; 'hex': 0.16; 'most)': 0.16; 'placeholder': 0.16; 'readable': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'unicode,': 0.16; 'all.': 0.16; 'appropriate': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '(a)': 0.24; 'copied': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'designated': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'chris': 0.29; '(c)': 0.29; 'character': 0.29; 'generally': 0.29; 'characters': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; '(unless': 0.31; 'font': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; "can't": 0.35; 'display': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'method': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'area': 0.37; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'legitimate': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'space': 0.40; 'numbers': 0.61; 'information,': 0.61; 'simple': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; "you'll": 0.62; 'show': 0.63; 'information': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'great': 0.65; 'six': 0.68; 'square': 0.74; 'directed': 0.83; 'bmp,': 0.84; 'fonts': 0.84; 'improvement': 0.84; 'received:50.22': 0.84; 'boxes': 0.91 Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 07:58:00 -0500 From: Tim Chase To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Unicode 7 In-Reply-To: References: <5361d4f9$0$11109$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <82067b83-a6f5-4b16-b012-385535ea5607@googlegroups.com> <53635b34$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - boston.accountservergroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tim.thechases.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: boston.accountservergroup.com: authenticated_id: tim@thechases.com X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1399035500 news.xs4all.nl 2884 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:70866 On 2014-05-02 19:08, Chris Angelico wrote: > This is another area where Unicode has given us "a great improvement > over the old method of giving satisfaction". Back in the 1990s on > OS/2, DOS, and Windows, a missing glyph might be (a) blank, (b) a > simple square with no information, or (c) copied from some other > font (common with dingbats fonts). With Unicode, the standard is to > show a little box *with the hex digits in it*. Granted, those boxes > are a LOT more readable for BMP characters than SMP (unless your > text is huge, six digits in the space of one character will make > them pretty tiny), and a "Unicode" font will generally include all > (or at least most) of the BMP, but it's still better than having no > information at all. I'm pleased when applications & fonts work properly, using both the placeholder fonts for "this character is legitimate but I can't display it with a font, so here, have a box with the codepoint numbers in it until I'm directed to use a more appropriate font at which point you'll see it correctly" and the "somebody crammed garbage in here, so I'll display it with "=EF=BF=BD" (U+FFFD) which is designated f= or exactly this purpose". -tkc