Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder5.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'mrab': 0.05; 'part,': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'themselves,': 0.09; 'used.': 0.09; 'url:blog': 0.10; 'jan': 0.12; 'encodings': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'worse.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'unicode': 0.24; 'handling': 0.26; 'possibly': 0.26; 'this:': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'languages': 0.32; 'says': 0.33; 'comment': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'are,': 0.36; "he's": 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'wrong': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'sometimes': 0.38; 'handle': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'major': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'received:173': 0.61; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'universally': 0.84; 'url:2014': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Unicode 7 Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 00:16:36 -0400 References: <5361d4f9$0$11109$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <82067b83-a6f5-4b16-b012-385535ea5607@googlegroups.com> <5362D9C1.9000108@mrabarnett.plus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-254-207.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 In-Reply-To: <5362D9C1.9000108@mrabarnett.plus.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1399004255 news.xs4all.nl 2951 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59927 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:70845 On 5/1/2014 7:33 PM, MRAB wrote: > On 2014-05-01 23:38, Terry Reedy wrote: >> On 5/1/2014 2:04 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: >> >>>>> Since its Unicode-troll time, here's my contribution >>>>> http://blog.languager.org/2014/04/unicode-and-unix-assumption.html >> >> I will not comment on the Unix-assumption part, but I think you go wrong >> with this: "Unicode is a Headache". The major headache is that unicode >> and its very few encodings are not universally used. The headache is all >> the non-unicode legacy encodings still being used. So you better title >> this section 'Non-Unicode is a Headache'. >> > [snip] > I think he's right when he says "Unicode is a headache", but only > because it's being used to handle languages which are, themselves, a > "headache": left-to-right versus right-to-left, sometimes on the same > line; Handling that without unicode is even worse. > diacritics, possibly several on a glyph; etc. Ditto. -- Terry Jan Reedy