Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.059 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.88; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'occasionally': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'subtle': 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'books': 0.15; '70%': 0.16; 'co-workers': 0.16; 'complaining': 0.16; 'guess.': 0.16; 'hint': 0.16; 'ho,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'thursday,': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'slightly': 0.19; 'work,': 0.20; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'certainly': 0.24; 'him.': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'subject:) ': 0.29; 'topic': 0.29; 'wonder': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'anyone': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.33; 'alone': 0.33; 'beginning': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'anybody': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'bought': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'clear': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'sometimes': 0.38; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'extremely': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'days': 0.60; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'voice': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'march': 0.61; 'numbers': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'hear': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'our': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'chance': 0.65; 'talking': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'dont': 0.67; 'brain': 0.68; 'nobody': 0.68; 'christmas': 0.74; 'funny': 0.74; 'country': 0.77; 'hand': 0.80; '2015': 0.84; 'communicate.': 0.84; 'different.': 0.84; 'literally.': 0.84; 'naughty': 0.84; 'patented': 0.84; 'subject:Practices': 0.84; 'url:lang': 0.84; 'weather': 0.84; 'british': 0.87; 'yours': 0.88 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: (Still OT) Nationalism, language and monoculture [was Re: Python Worst Practices] Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:31:40 +0000 References: <8761ak7kxm.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87sido6491.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <6d6033b8-d228-4f5f-ac68-ae5b2a226431@googlegroups.com> <87d24regm6.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <54f4763c$0$12979$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87twy34dst.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <726afahrhnim716av2dnckrsd9n5j5kukj@4ax.com> <21dafa533nrsmktshd35kdbd13ahgj50bf@4ax.com> <87fv9k2999.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <54f7599d$0$12988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <8761ag36du.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87mw3s10nl.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <9ccfd0c7-1310-44de-a493-6019a1773ae1@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-24-211-56.ppp.as43234.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 In-Reply-To: <9ccfd0c7-1310-44de-a493-6019a1773ae1@googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 65 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1425630722 news.xs4all.nl 2877 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54582 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86998 On 06/03/2015 08:00, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 10:49:54 AM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> Rustom Mody: >> >>> You keep talking of accent. >>> At first I thought you were using the word figuratively or else joking. >>> Im now beginning to wonder if you mean it literally. >>> If so have you patented a new AOIP protocol? >>> If not do you give tuitionsı in ESP/telepathy/Voodoo? I'll be happy to >>> pay >> >> Where I work, people do use voice still occasionally to communicate. > > I really dont understand what we are communicating (or not) about... > > Can you hear my accent? I certainly cant hear yours > If you are talking of accent (aural/physical just to be clear) of your co-workers > how is that more on-topic or relevant to this list than the weather in Finland. > [Yeah its been freakish weather out here for the last 10 days -- global warming? > And is global warming on topic for this list?] > Just to be clear -- I am going to be one of the tail-enders complaining about > on/off-topicness. But someone or other will complain I guess. > > If on the other hand you are being slightly metaphorical and using 'accent' > to talk of (say) Mark's britishismsı then please disambiguate for better communication. > > But more to the point its still not clear (to me) whether you are objecting to > - to Mark > - to British accent British accent, Christmas is early this year so ho, ho, ho. Nobody in this country ever guesses where I was born and bred, they all think I'm from the South West or the West Country. Irish, Scottish, Welsh, English alone are different. Most foreigners wouldn't have a dog's chance in hell of understanding a Geordie or a Glaswegian. Move 50 miles and you can hear a completely different accent. British accent indeed. > - to British spellings in software > - to anyone/anywhere international, using non-international format > > > ıPersonally I find Mark's britishisms sometimes funny eg I found this > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.python/EfloMHB3DjQ/ZdY3Vn_6rpsJ hilarious even though I could not decipher more than 70% of the british accent. > Sometimes though I find it irrelevant/unnecessary/undecipherable. > > Personally I am not going to object to him nor am I going to object to anyone > objecting to him. > Anybody objecting about me will be accused by me of discrimination against autistic people. Now there is a not very subtle hint that might penetrate one or two of the thicker skins on the thicker heads that participate here. Thankfully the numbers of such people are extremely small or we could have had WWIII. Which could have happened when Global Crossing bought Racal Telecommunications and tried to stop us Brits using our kettles to make our cuppas. Now that is seriously brain dead. And they turned out to be a bit naughty with the books :( -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence