Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder3.xlned.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'subject:not': 0.03; 'odd': 0.07; 'tkinter': 0.07; 'martin': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; '23,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'guilty': 0.16; 'subject:python3': 0.16; 'tk.': 0.16; 'trivially': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'small,': 0.19; 'space.': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'moved': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'overhead': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'ago': 0.33; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; 'beyond': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'disk': 0.36; 'unit': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'easily': 0.37; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'subject:" ': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'ago,': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'talking': 0.65; 'premature': 0.84; 'ram,': 0.84; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=b9RpKX8HMvAWUKwsdqqTvmuiaGeg1hcI5w6PwaXkgD8=; b=iGNyWM5aQabX7rXXslkGEKi0YXi+nQDT/aGFiMdnc8PCF8mlSlIxjigIyKVYw9lwvv CeoEu8Do8ufALE2L6i22+I9vcT+7JlIzWOI/4BNEgn/CEBJu/xPkJAhssoKDeHKY5YvV hs3FwGJ4WKjuIK9wMJWxhkUE6SBE6aU1cIBwujPAWh3y1Sn8hTR6i7FRWAuIlVissDxj L9xM9uQKt9fnXE6s6gLsMamCxLNVE9Zt448Mg1LU+M16a7fDpfRFv3tUV8B/D8bCEphd 0depX0PLax57of58KSpwfspb4mlH6FBrYPNuUjdaSXothpO0Tenxhm1vqxZfl/icPShy jC9w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.34.12 with SMTP id v12mr21107704vei.55.1366699296892; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:41:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5174e407$0$29872$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:41:36 +1000 Subject: Re: Ubuntu package "python3" does not include tkinter From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1366699299 news.xs4all.nl 2290 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36271 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:44147 On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Bob Martin wrote: > in 695509 20130422 081727 Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >>I think that if you are worrying about the overhead of the tkinter >>bindings for Python, you're guilty of premature optimization. The tkinter >>package in Python 3.3 is trivially small, under 2 MB. > > "trivially small"? > 30 years ago a small mainframe only had 2MB. 30 years ago, people weren't using Tk. We've moved on beyond worrying about the odd kilobyte of space. (Also, I think you're talking RAM, and Steven was talking hard disk. Systems can easily have another SI unit of disk than memory.) ChrisA