Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.051 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; '"""': 0.07; 'attribute': 0.07; 'attributes': 0.09; 'instances.': 0.09; 'pavel': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'attribute,': 0.16; 'attributes.': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'object()': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:object': 0.16; 'types,': 0.16; 'user-defined': 0.16; 'discussion': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; '"",': 0.31; 'default,': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'class': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; '(most': 0.33; 'but': 0.35; 'instances': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'ben': 0.38; 'mapping': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'recent': 0.39; 'ability': 0.39; 'explain': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'url:3': 0.61; 'simple': 0.61; 'provide': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'social': 0.69; 'default': 0.69; '8bit%:43': 0.74; '8bit%:46': 0.78; 'lack': 0.78; 'gain': 0.79; '"spam"': 0.84; "'object'": 0.84; 'god,': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'url:datamodel': 0.84; 'url:reference': 0.84; '8bit%:18': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: object().__dict__ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 16:09:14 +1000 References: <51d9b7f1-3511-4110-adb2-aa2226bd7a3c@lists.xtsubasa.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:sGarRpeD2X+JMIbC6qMTvl2KqfE= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1398233367 news.xs4all.nl 2831 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37501 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:70531 Pavel Volkov writes: > The attribute list is different now and there's no __dict__ and the > object does not accept new attributes. > Please explain what's going on. It's a leaky abstraction, unfortunately. By default, all user-defined types will provide their instances with a ‘__dict__’ attribute, whic is a mapping to store the instance's attributes. But some types don't have that, and ‘object’ is one of them. It deliberately overrides the default behaviour, and has no ‘__dict__’ for its instances. >>> foo = object() >>> foo.bar = "spam" Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in AttributeError: 'object' object has no attribute 'bar' >>> foo.__dict__ Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in AttributeError: 'object' object has no attribute '__dict__' Your user-defined types, even though they inherit from ‘object’, will get a ‘__dict__’ as normal:: >>> class Bag: >>> """ A simple type to hold attributes. """ >>> Bag.__mro__ (, ) >>> foo = Bag() >>> foo.bar = "spam" >>> foo.__dict__ {'bar': 'spam'} See the discussion of ‘__slots__’, and note also that it's not recommended to use this unless you know exactly why you need it . I consider it a wart of Python that its ‘object’ instances lack the ability to gain arbitrary attributes in the way you expect. -- \ “Every man would like to be God, if it were possible; some few | `\ find it difficult to admit the impossibility.” —Bertrand | _o__) Russell, _Power: A New Social Analysis_, 1938 | Ben Finney