Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; '"""': 0.07; 'explicit': 0.07; 'skip:` 10': 0.07; 'socket': 0.07; 'string': 0.09; 'defines': 0.09; 'exception.': 0.09; 'indeed,': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subtle': 0.09; 'to)': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'def': 0.12; 'bug': 0.12; 'jan': 0.12; '%r"': 0.16; '[2].': 0.16; 'grep': 0.16; 'hint': 0.16; 'implies': 0.16; 'importerror,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'schwarzer': 0.16; 'skip:/ 60': 0.16; 'subject:exception': 0.16; 'typeerror:': 0.16; 'violation.': 0.16; 'x()': 0.16; 'exception': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'library': 0.18; 'all,': 0.19; 'bit': 0.19; 'module': 0.19; 'ticket': 0.19; 'trying': 0.19; '(but': 0.19; 'stefan': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; '>>>': 0.22; 'code,': 0.22; 'import': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'error': 0.23; "aren't": 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'class.': 0.26; 'possibly': 0.26; 'skip:" 30': 0.26; 'skip:_ 20': 0.27; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'skip:p 30': 0.29; '[1]': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'raise': 0.29; '[2]': 0.30; 'returned': 0.30; 'skip:( 20': 0.30; 'gives': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; "skip:' 10": 0.31; 'usually': 0.31; '"",': 0.31; '(my': 0.31; 'exceptions': 0.31; 'explained': 0.31; 'object.': 0.31; 'pickle': 0.31; 'raised': 0.31; 'subject:that': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'class': 0.32; 'there.': 0.32; 'linux': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; '(most': 0.33; 'bugs': 0.33; 'skip:_ 10': 0.34; 'message.': 0.35; 'problem': 0.35; "can't": 0.35; 'common': 0.35; 'except': 0.35; 'objects': 0.35; 'usual': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'instances': 0.36; 'library.': 0.36; 'object,': 0.36; 'words,': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'method': 0.36; 'web,': 0.36; 'hi,': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'hat': 0.38; 'nov': 0.38; 'url:library': 0.38; 'skip:[ 10': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'recent': 0.39; 'bad': 0.39; 'subject:can': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'skip:p 20': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'called': 0.40; 'users': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'read': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'url:3': 0.61; 'received:173': 0.61; 'such': 0.63; 'refer': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'due': 0.66; 'url:4': 0.69; 'below.': 0.71; 'object:': 0.84; 'own)': 0.84; 'pickled': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'skip:/ 30': 0.84; 'url:ticket': 0.84; 'url:trac': 0.84; '2013,': 0.91; 'mistake': 0.91; 'why?': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Recommended exception for objects that can't be pickled Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:08:17 -0400 References: <53551BBA.8000205@sschwarzer.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-254-207.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 In-Reply-To: <53551BBA.8000205@sschwarzer.net> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 132 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1398114540 news.xs4all.nl 2867 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33436 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:70475 On 4/21/2014 9:23 AM, Stefan Schwarzer wrote: > Hi, > > Recently, I got a request [1] to support pickling of > `FTPHost` instances in my `ftplib` library. > > I explained in the ticket why I think it's a bad idea and > now want to make explicit that `FTPHost` objects can't be > pickled. The usual way to do this seems to be defining a > `__getstate__` method and raise an exception there. > > Now the question is "which exception?" and my research left > me a bit confused. I didn't find a recommendation for this > on the web, not even in the Python documentation for the > `pickle` module [2]. The only hint is that the documentation > states: > > """ > The pickle module defines three exceptions: > > exception pickle.PickleError > > Common base class for the other pickling exceptions. It > inherits Exception. > > exception pickle.PicklingError > > Error raised when an unpicklable object is encountered > by Pickler. It inherits PickleError. I am going to read this as 'unpicklable as determined by Pickler', possibly due to a bug in the objects methods. > Refer to What can be pickled and unpickled? to learn > what kinds of objects can be pickled. > > exception pickle.UnpicklingError > > Error raised when there is a problem unpickling an > object, such as a data corruption or a security > violation. It inherits PickleError. > > Note that other exceptions may also be raised during > unpickling, including (but not necessarily limited to) > AttributeError, EOFError, ImportError, and IndexError. > """ > > This sounds like unpicklable objects should raise a > `PicklingError`. Indeed, if I do this, `pickle.dumps` > gives me (my own) `PicklingError`: > > Python 3.3.2 (default, Nov 8 2013, 13:38:57) > [GCC 4.8.2 20131017 (Red Hat 4.8.2-1)] on linux > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > >>> import pickle > >>> class X: > ... def __getstate__(self): > ... raise pickle.PicklingError("can't pickle X objects") > ... > >>> x = X() > >>> pickle.dumps(x) > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in > File "", line 3, in __getstate__ > _pickle.PicklingError: can't pickle X objects > > What now confuses me is that most, if not all, objects from > the standard library that aren't picklable raise a > `TypeError` when I try to pickle them: > > >>> fobj = open("/etc/passwd") > >>> pickle.dumps(fobj) > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in > TypeError: cannot serialize '_io.TextIOWrapper' object > > >>> import socket > >>> s = socket.socket() > >>> pickle.dumps(s) > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in > File "/usr/lib64/python3.3/socket.py", line 116, in __getstate__ > raise TypeError("Cannot serialize socket object") > TypeError: Cannot serialize socket object I would just copy the socket.__getstate__, with a revised message. > So the documentation for the `pickle` module (to me) implies > I should raise a `PicklingError` while the standard library > usually seems to use a `TypeError`. When I grep through the > library files for `PicklingError`, I get very few hits, most > of them in `pickle.py`: This suggests that the exception is intended for use by Pickler, and not by user code. The reason is pretty subtle and not explained in the doc. See below. > $ find /usr/lib64/python3.3 -name "*.py" -exec grep -H PicklingError {} \; > /usr/lib64/python3.3/site-packages/numpy/numarray/session.py: except (pickle.PicklingError, TypeError, SystemError): > /usr/lib64/python3.3/pickle.py:__all__ = ["PickleError", "PicklingError", "UnpicklingError", "Pickler", > /usr/lib64/python3.3/pickle.py:class PicklingError(PickleError): > /usr/lib64/python3.3/pickle.py: raise PicklingError("Pickler.__init__() was not called by " > /usr/lib64/python3.3/pickle.py: raise PicklingError("Can't pickle %r object: %r" % > /usr/lib64/python3.3/pickle.py: raise PicklingError("%s must return string or tuple" % reduce) > /usr/lib64/python3.3/pickle.py: raise PicklingError("Tuple returned by %s must have " > /usr/lib64/python3.3/pickle.py: raise PicklingError("args from save_reduce() should be a tuple") > /usr/lib64/python3.3/pickle.py: raise PicklingError("func from save_reduce() should be callable") Most of the above look like bugs in code intended to work with Pickle. In other words, if you user gets a TypeError, the user has made a mistake by trying to pickle your object. If you tried to make your object picklable, and users got PicklingError, that would indicate a bug in your class code, not the users' use of your class. > /usr/lib64/python3.3/pickle.py: raise PicklingError( > /usr/lib64/python3.3/pickle.py: raise PicklingError( > /usr/lib64/python3.3/pickle.py: raise PicklingError( > /usr/lib64/python3.3/pickle.py: raise PicklingError( > /usr/lib64/python3.3/pickle.py: raise PicklingError( > /usr/lib64/python3.3/idlelib/rpc.py: except pickle.PicklingError: > > Which exception would you raise for an object that can't be > pickled and why? TypeError, as explained above. > [1] http://ftputil.sschwarzer.net/trac/ticket/75 > [2] https://docs.python.org/3.4/library/pickle.html -- Terry Jan Reedy