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From: Dotan Cohen To: Xah Lee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1308345997 news.xs4all.nl 49047 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:41250 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:7861 On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 20:43, Xah Lee wrote: > u r aware that there are already tens of layouts, each created by > programer, thinking that they can create the best layout? > Yes. Mine is better :) Had Stallman not heard of VI when he set out to write Emacs? > if not, check > =E3=80=88Computer Keyboards, Layouts, Hotkeys, Macros, RSI =E2=8C=A8=E3= =80=89 > xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/keyboarding.html > > on layout section. Lots people all creating layouts. > > also, you want to put {Enter, Tab}, etc keys in the middle, but I > don't understand from ur website how u gonna do that since it requires > keyboard hardware modification. e.g. r u creating key layout on PC > keyboard or are you creating hardware keyboard Key layout? The former > is a dime a million, the latter is rare but also there are several > sites all trying to do it. Talk is cheap, the hardest part is actually > to get money to finance and manufacture it. The latest one, which i > deem good, is Truely Ergonomic keyboard. It sells for $200 and is in > pre-order only now. > I ordered the Truley Ergonomic keyboard, I waited for half a year after delivery was supposed to happen to request my money back. Too many delays, so in the end I bought a Ducky mechanical (Cherry Browns) instead. I am writing a software keyboard layout. I'm actually having a hard time moving the modifier keys (Alt, Ctrl) to a new location. If you know how to do that I would much appreciate some advice, I'll post the problem here or in private mail. Thanks, Lee. (or should that be Thanks, Xah?) --=20 Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com