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To: Chris Angelico In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert-Jan Roskam List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1397930448 news.xs4all.nl 2974 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47042 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:70395 ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Angelico > To: > Cc: "python-list@python.org" > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 3:42 PM > Subject: Re: Why Python 3? > Right. It's not the magic line that fixes everything; if it were, > Python 3 wouldn't be a big deal at all. Go Py3 if you can, but if you > can't, at least make your double-quoted strings Unicode strings, and > then you have a chance to find problems. Totally agree. It's not that hard at all. I consider it true craftmanship that Guido had the guts break backward compatibility and clean up some mistakes. Compare this with CRAN R, where so much illogical S-plus stuff is present (word count for "historical anomaly": 1000+ ;-). Am I the only one who always thinks of Rogers' Diffusion of Innovations curve with these Python2/3 debates? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Diffusion_of_ideas.svg. source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_innovations