Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'run-time': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'explicit': 0.07; 'float': 0.07; 'result,': 0.07; 'integers': 0.09; 'subject:Why': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; '(floor': 0.16; '2.2,': 0.16; '__future__': 0.16; 'behave': 0.16; 'decimal.': 0.16; 'division.': 0.16; 'gained': 0.16; 'integer.': 0.16; 'integers,': 0.16; 'operands': 0.16; 'quoted': 0.16; 'ways:': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'typing': 0.19; 'import': 0.22; 'affects': 0.24; 'byte': 0.24; 'bytes': 0.24; 'integer': 0.24; 'text,': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'statement': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; '3.x': 0.31; 'decimal': 0.31; 'division': 0.31; 'styles': 0.31; 'convert': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'consistent': 0.36; 'opposed': 0.36; 'picking': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'form,': 0.38; 'needed': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; "you're": 0.61; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'side': 0.67; 'between': 0.67; 'divide': 0.84; 'bless': 0.91; 'mistake': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Z3AogUIpOUyclSVRsrAwwesUHbEKIxEF61lk4mvurWs=; b=ixnuj2xiNpU2TuZwTomg+AGMfP072L4k2yJmgOqsVPp3XFhBqp2YBXa+r5h4kyinnZ gDDuA35b8vADJ9qde464St+lVyq7Kc7VTlRL9g6kQIE29P9pcAfHF1nJo/+CGQFwJJ9x 9/kibC5i+h8X0cQQWmHTR0BgX+E7kHo5InxcxdQu83VBK1uYo6e3tbkBPltGRQ6Pz4M2 1qikWiZBBHvl9jHoH8C5kZbopXML+WTfw+AVB0K9L7Ae+MlssIUT+7RTZeU4q/NTkMZ+ w1tHuaF4UToVvOrXAnwBizHzOW2gOY66Eqr/FbRrAXXiQIhsobv4kE0G3oH4kwL1TMkg pGnA== X-Received: by 10.194.189.201 with SMTP id gk9mr20247508wjc.13.1397899551657; Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:25:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <7x8ur1esa5.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> From: Ian Kelly Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 03:25:11 -0600 Subject: Re: Why Python 3? To: Python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1397899558 news.xs4all.nl 2885 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39431 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:70373 On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > That'll make Python 2.6/2.7 behave like Python 3.x in three ways: > firstly, "print" will be a function instead of a statement (and it's > more powerful than the statement form, as well as being more > flexible); secondly, quoted strings will be Unicode strings, not byte > strings (that'll help you to start thinking about what's bytes and > what's text, which is an important distinction in Python 3); and > thirdly, though less important than the others, the division of two > integers will result in a floating point, not an integer. I personally > think the last one was a mistake on Python 3's part (why bless float > specifically? what if you're working with integers and > decimal.Decimals?), but if you're going to move to Python 3, you may > as well have your code start working that way, so you get used to > typing // to divide integers and get an integer (floor division). If you're working with decimals, then the result is a decimal. If one side is an integer and the other is a decimal, then the result is still a decimal. Similarly if one of the operands is a fraction, then the result is a fraction. The change from / denoting "classic division" to "true division" really only affects the case where both operands are integers, so far as I'm aware. If you want to divide two integers and get a decimal result, then convert one or both of them to decimals first; you would have needed to do the same with classic division. We also gained a consistent and explicit way to differentiate between the two different styles of division that classic division represented, as opposed to picking at run-time based on type. As for "why float" specifically, the division __future__ import has been around since 2.2, longer than either decimals or fractions.