Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder5.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.020 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'missed': 0.12; 'windows': 0.15; '16.': 0.16; '3.3,': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'precede': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; '15,': 0.26; 'push': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'installed': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'feature': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'generally': 0.29; '???': 0.30; '>>>>': 0.31; 'dated': 0.31; 'os,': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'actively': 0.33; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'dates': 0.36; 'version:': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'easily': 0.37; 'ben': 0.38; 'stable': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'launch': 0.39; 'use.': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'release': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'march': 0.61; 'received:173': 0.61; 'providing': 0.61; 'happen': 0.63; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'latest': 0.67; 'answer.': 0.68; '3.4': 0.84; 'presumably': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'ships': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 15:48:06 -0400 References: <87y4z8koi0.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <85ioqbw2eb.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-254-207.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1397591326 news.xs4all.nl 2933 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38874 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:70295 On 4/15/2014 5:05 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: >> On 4/15/2014 2:08 AM, Ben Finney wrote: >>> >>> Terry Reedy writes: >>> >>>> The 'mistake' is your OS, whatever it is, not providing 3.3. It is >>>> already so old that it is off bugfix maintenance. Any decent system >>>> should have 3.4 available now. >>> >>> >>> I think you mean =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 should have Python 3.3 available = now=E2=80=9D, yes? >> >> >> ??? why would you think that??? My installed 3.4.0 for Windows is date= d >> March 16. > > Debian's current stable (Wheezy) was released 2013/05/04, and the > latest version release of it (7.4) was 2014/02/08. Both those dates > precede 2014/03/16, so you don't get 3.4 in Wheezy. (Actually, you > don't even get 3.3, presumably because its launch date of 2012/09/29 > missed the Wheezy feature freeze in mid-2012.) Debian Jessie (current > testing) ships 3.3 and 3.4, with the 'python3' package giving you 3.3. There are three things a distribution can do with a new Python version: 1. Push it on people. 2. Allow people who need it to easily get it. 3. Actively hide it and discourage its use. I happen to think 2) is generally the right answer. --=20 Terry Jan Reedy