Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'release,': 0.09; 'release.': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'assume': 0.14; 'windows': 0.15; 'alpha,': 0.16; 'complete;': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'os;': 0.16; 'presume': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'when,': 0.16; 'meant': 0.20; 'rules': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'source': 0.25; 'header:X-Complaints- To:1': 0.27; 'testing': 0.29; 'rest': 0.29; 'releases,': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'figure': 0.32; 'run': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'running': 0.33; 'ago': 0.33; 'mac': 0.33; 'candidate': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'complete.': 0.36; 'data,': 0.36; 'reality': 0.36; 'ubuntu': 0.36; 'operating': 0.37; 'ben': 0.38; 'stable': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'release': 0.40; 'ensure': 0.60; 'soon': 0.63; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'series': 0.66; 'latest': 0.67; 'six': 0.68; 'assurance': 0.75; '3.4': 0.84; 'category.': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; '\xe2\x80\x9cwe': 0.84; 'eliminates': 0.91; 'officially': 0.91; 'hand,': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 21:33:50 +1000 References: <87y4z8koi0.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87r44zgp5y.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xBD41714B X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 9CFE 12B0 791A 4267 887F 520C B7AC 2E51 BD41 714B X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-gpg.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:/ZgMMEmlrNo8TrsZqdlcQVgoBRI= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1397561649 news.xs4all.nl 2933 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:70269 Terry Reedy writes: > 3.4.0 was released a month ago with Windows and Mac installers and > source for everything else. I know Ubuntu was testing the release > candidate so I presume it is or will very soon have 3.4 officially > available. Since there was a six month series of alpha, beta, and > candidate releases, with an approximate final release data, any > distribution that wanted to be up to date also could be. Those assertions assume that: * operating systems have stable releases every few months; and * they have a zero-length process to get a stable release of Python into the stable OS release; and * the user is always running the latest stable OS version immediately after its release. When, in reality, the OS team will need quite a long time to ensure the stable Python release works smoothly with all of the rest of the OS; the stable release will come some number of months after that assurance process is complete; and the user will upgrade some wildly varying time after the stable OS release is complete. That reality means “any decent OS will have Python 3.4 today” rather bold, only a month after its release, and eliminates just about all OSen from “decent” category. On the other hand, you might have meant “Python 3.4 is available *for* any decent OS today”; this is a very different thing from the OS having that version of Python. -- \ “We can't depend for the long run on distinguishing one | `\ bitstream from another in order to figure out which rules | _o__) apply.” —Eben Moglen, _Anarchism Triumphant_, 1999 | Ben Finney