Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; ';-)': 0.03; 'repository': 0.05; 'advice.': 0.09; 'vast': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'advice,': 0.16; 'commented': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'imo.': 0.16; 'subject:non': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'touch.': 0.19; 'code,': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'file.': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'source': 0.25; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'correct': 0.29; 'tim': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'chase': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'option': 0.32; 'fri,': 0.33; 'comment': 0.34; "who's": 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'being': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'bad': 0.39; 'visual': 0.39; 'delete': 0.39; 'expression': 0.60; 'entire': 0.61; "you've": 0.63; 'situation': 0.65; 'corporate': 0.67; 'covers': 0.68; 'inbox,': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'archive.': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5ECumr+Rv9bhPH/n6z0ScA264nIGKJXD9y24dTC2cfU=; b=aWaCsiPvWduNuHG6RuCi6mvnOEDh5YMLAO3eY+bil5NADjTn2lvcMwroEPbcdSZ5W0 ydpA+fb6NuKT/ZhOvb7+9ybQc2Kl2CffLD/3CURCZOue4SIKrLvnMo5PR5RYRwdSabcF xqmluQpwHaBo+Yst+Wn0Lo/JsGCVVjqxjv2HOhla6K7Sx9mSPXP7Do2AGoczLgugM75a 7SYW9psOqbxVV2vbB2mhySJaBZ5swquqZnQ5AfA1Z0NlrKRO1zHWXpXyU4bCb9+5rIuq TVc6xL5NUSIgE7tXh8hCeKZb6P9DRCWpOWTllO4rtxgpDFGvEpG59Pi+4D+rwtqkolUj 3j8g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.248.7 with SMTP id yi7mr27349098pbc.31.1397220649213; Fri, 11 Apr 2014 05:50:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140411073956.758809da@bigbox.christie.dr> References: <1ec8952c-f9c8-4f58-9eee-0707a4c89dee@googlegroups.com> <10c257bb-1b3c-410a-81cf-916136b3f8e6@googlegroups.com> <8c101063-9abe-49f1-a8ab-c5d7048079be@googlegroups.com> <79e36d43-6170-46a0-8f8e-9462f27efd2f@googlegroups.com> <5347d343$0$29993$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20140411073956.758809da@bigbox.christie.dr> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 22:50:49 +1000 Subject: Re: Teaching python to non-programmers From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1397221047 news.xs4all.nl 2953 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48585 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:70135 On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Tim Chase wrote: > On 2014-04-11 11:34, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> >> That's equivalent to being told "Don't ever delete any of your >> >> code, just comment it out". I don't care who's saying that, it's >> >> bad advice. >> > >> > The correct analogy: "Dont ever delete content from the >> > repository" >> >> No -- the repository is the email archive. (Your inbox, perhaps.) >> You don't keep a copy of the entire repo in every source file. > > Clearly you've not seen some of the corporate code-bases I've had to > touch. =C2=ABshudder=C2=BB I still have nightmares about vast swaths of = code > commented out or "#ifdef 0"ed out. > > Then again, since they used Visual Source Safe, it might have been > the smarter/safer option ;-) I think Steven was agreeing with me that it's bad advice, rather than that it never happens... There's an expression on The Daily WTF: "Enterprise happens". Covers this situation well, IMO. http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Enterprise-Dependency.aspx ChrisA