Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.025 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'resource.': 0.07; 'versions.': 0.07; 'dev': 0.09; 'sticks': 0.09; 'subject:python': 0.12; 'developer': 0.12; 'am,': 0.13; 'open-source': 0.13; 'received:209.85.214.174': 0.13; 'received:mail- iw0-f174.google.com': 0.13; 'wrote:': 0.15; 'library': 0.15; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'kick': 0.16; 'sticking': 0.16; 'survives': 0.16; '(which': 0.20; '(like': 0.21; 'options.': 0.22; 'primarily': 0.22; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'tue,': 0.23; 'versions': 0.23; 'wonder': 0.23; 'format,': 0.25; 'windows': 0.26; 'keeps': 0.28; 'received:209.85.214': 0.28; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'dies': 0.30; 'hours,': 0.30; 'toolkit': 0.30; "won't": 0.32; 'source': 0.32; 'people,': 0.33; 'usually': 0.33; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.34; 'it?': 0.34; 'decide': 0.34; 'difference': 0.34; 'someone': 0.34; 'quite': 0.34; "can't": 0.34; 'file': 0.36; 'open': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'received:209.85': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'think': 0.38; 'else': 0.38; 'went': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; "there's": 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.40; 'making': 0.66; 'bought': 0.66; 'imagine': 0.71; 'products': 0.72; 'money': 0.77; 'competition': 0.79; 'many.': 0.84; 'scarce': 0.84; 'subject:tool': 0.84; 'popularity': 0.91; 'subject:there': 0.91; 'supporter': 0.91; 'look.': 0.93; 'subject:good': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Eecx75CIF8wlWBaP/Y31Svt9jVSeBwvRmuMEXxK1OSU=; b=pH/mdrFOdnBC6L4sk6aTBnA+d3UtBqZzhCkN3hAhcZquMCt6M3eTPl3m/ELOCDqEqG bVm5uGsRKZTxgRGC/eapfuIR7otJjjZ7x+xpE5cYBvSc7b7UfRbrxCVx7x7iCBKPjGRY wbjrp1bSU9rdzZ5AOT7y2f3G9ABC8ifasMszY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9455da26-74ba-4f2b-a9b0-f2f747432bdd@h4g2000vbw.googlegroups.com> References: <0439d15a-d6f3-435e-a4f9-416082596480@g9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9685e55f-c5b4-4ff9-87b6-8c4646fe7698@e35g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> <871uxxf0tp.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <9cb6df1c-52f0-472c-9b87-6be53c07d8a4@h4g2000vbw.googlegroups.com> <829d7e6d-29f6-4678-9f5c-270a4a10a7d5@y30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <813f5c03-9916-4a18-bf09-6037db66f7a1@m22g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <9455da26-74ba-4f2b-a9b0-f2f747432bdd@h4g2000vbw.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 05:16:30 +1000 Subject: Re: Wgy isn't there a good RAD Gui tool fo python From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1310411793 news.xs4all.nl 21863 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53617 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:9277 On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Ivan Kljaic wrote: > For how many years are this vui library wars going on. How many. Look. > I am a open source supporter but Windows will always kick the ass of > open source because the open source comunity can not make a decision. You think Microsoft makes decisions and sticks with them? Look at Office's last few versions. They can't decide on a file format, an interface, a featureset... everything keeps changing. The difference is that in the open-source world, everything survives and can be seen as a set of alternatives, whereas in the closed-source world, it's either different versions of one program (like MS Office), or competing products (which usually means one of them dies for lack of money - or is bought out by the other). What we have is not indecision, it is options. Imagine if you went to a hardware shop and were offered only one tool: a magnet. Would you laud them for making a decision and sticking with it? No, you'd wonder what they have against hammers and screwdrivers. I like to have tools available to my use, not someone else making my decisions for me. There's competition in the open source world, too; primarily competition for developer time, a quite scarce resource. If a toolkit is not of value to people, it won't get as many dev hours, so you can often gauge popularity and usefulness by the VCS checkins. ChrisA