Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.031 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'practice,': 0.07; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'expecting': 0.16; 'flow,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'subject:non': 0.16; 'url:title': 0.16; 'worse.': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'all.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; "hasn't": 0.19; 'slightly': 0.19; 'saying': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'thus': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'along': 0.30; 'easier': 0.31; 'url:wiki': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'url:wikipedia': 0.31; 'yes.': 0.31; 'fri,': 0.33; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'done': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'somebody': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'url:action': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'read': 0.60; 'providing': 0.61; 'url:index': 0.63; 'world': 0.66; 'corporate': 0.67; 'default': 0.69; 'url:php': 0.85; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=/9nMtNDI+a3PGR5TSoHo6IjtSAZqteDOneOcPBrzlLs=; b=SZJvwZp2EJSs4ga3+ISy6PceJp9EpECOyLxz58kBi4ePXYJqix/ZP0o7sn8GfAHpDl kMWNA2fLCTSxFESmaj9H9kQcnc4AWrOE0uY30usvjOSr1+rswhvN2kBn3gLR+/CSd6NW P5AgWy70bQDKc53jr1UJ+iRYkrvcdqD4v9GyrD4GpBcYjdipPd6GZJF5I3rz9eNPMH7E u8iKxXPaHwUSANoWZk4ruwpSGacAcsnYG4qqvrY59STJTPwqG+xe+K3QYkSeRAnHz/H6 Dmq88Kt7m5Abg2cBb1zB3rRzjzhlU3tnh0Yjuw7jyx4FhQLfQyBRIcT3MX08YJnKQglH 6G6g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.69.8.225 with SMTP id dn1mr26253338pbd.46.1397211455621; Fri, 11 Apr 2014 03:17:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5347beca$0$29993$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <1ec8952c-f9c8-4f58-9eee-0707a4c89dee@googlegroups.com> <10c257bb-1b3c-410a-81cf-916136b3f8e6@googlegroups.com> <8c101063-9abe-49f1-a8ab-c5d7048079be@googlegroups.com> <79e36d43-6170-46a0-8f8e-9462f27efd2f@googlegroups.com> <5347beca$0$29993$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 20:17:35 +1000 Subject: Re: Teaching python to non-programmers From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1397211459 news.xs4all.nl 2961 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42160 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:70118 On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > It is, in a way, the corporate equivalent of "RTFM", only enshrined as > normal practice rather than seen as a deliberate put-down of somebody who > hasn't done their homework. And because it's normal practice, even those > who know better end up going along with the flow, because its easier than > explaining to their supervisor why their emails are so confusing. And > thus the world is made a slightly darker place. It's even worse. If someone comes to you saying "So what's this Heartbleed thing?", RTFM would be providing a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartbleed but the default corporate practice is linking to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heartbleed&action=history and expecting the someone to read it all. But yes. ChrisA