Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.086 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.83; '*S*': 0.00; 'repository': 0.05; 'familiarity': 0.07; 'advice.': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'inclined': 0.16; 'losing': 0.16; 'subject:non': 0.16; 'tradition': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code,': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'scroll': 0.24; 'fine': 0.24; 'file.': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'correct': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'lines': 0.31; '(usually': 0.31; 'context,': 0.31; 'though.': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'fri,': 0.33; 'comment': 0.34; "who's": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'being': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'bad': 0.39; 'delete': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'truly': 0.60; 'simply': 0.61; 'story': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'god': 0.65; 'anything.': 0.68; 'beautiful': 0.68; 'normal.': 0.68; 'said:': 0.68; 'belief': 0.84; 'easier,': 0.84; 'irrelevant': 0.84; 'norm': 0.84; 'religion': 0.84; 'temple': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=nOqV4lWOXUveqPpUQeSWmx/q11g7mzbmStnv0pCYvDA=; b=w+rnn+MMZ3brxU3G3zDK0Hh0OeL9jjXXIjXEcS3+AoA9cUldtyEBLyLfL/PvU+2ziR H486GKu08Ib4Cfqq7Nr/s96HDoQv1Q43849wj7OANqDx6e17FDo40TUzjbWM7RXyodmw U2IWjChCa0oOQs9YlQlCP0exbY9D2mxlU1lxdPHjjpwFlR8RJaLSJcDxxJpikSFVDIBD /I8Traue1jSUVNlvTz8iVd+V2WQY0sMxldQchmxergSaytgOK+fZuHliYk8WAUZdnic2 90DPzhFDFcxIwruKJuWXYls463nby7S+mDW8zxILu+KsLFBULl3w5yNgCGOC0rG6gS6O s3Bw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.191.138 with SMTP id gy10mr7725890pbc.169.1397196015373; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 23:00:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1ec8952c-f9c8-4f58-9eee-0707a4c89dee@googlegroups.com> <10c257bb-1b3c-410a-81cf-916136b3f8e6@googlegroups.com> <8c101063-9abe-49f1-a8ab-c5d7048079be@googlegroups.com> <79e36d43-6170-46a0-8f8e-9462f27efd2f@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 16:00:15 +1000 Subject: Re: Teaching python to non-programmers From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1397196025 news.xs4all.nl 2955 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42492 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:70102 On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > People whose familiarity with religion is limited to the Judeo-Christian > tradition are inclined to the view (usually implicit) that > "being religious" == "belief in God" > However there are religions where belief in God is irreligious -- Jainism > And others where it is is irrelevant -- Tao, Shinto. > [There is the story of a westerner who wen to a shinto temple and said: > All this (rites) is fine and beautiful but what's your *philosophy* > To which he was told: "Philosophy? We have no philosophy! We dance!"] That's nothing to do with norms, though. The norm might be to follow Taoism, but that doesn't make it more right - just more normal. >> That's equivalent to being told "Don't ever delete any of your code, >> just comment it out". I don't care who's saying that, it's bad advice. > > The correct analogy: "Dont ever delete content from the repository" Generally, a repository won't let you truly delete anything, which is exactly my point: you can delete lines of code from the current file without losing anything. If you want to see the context, you go and look at context, you don't need it to be right there in the current file. Same with email - and often even easier, because your client will let you simply scroll up and see what was said previously. ChrisA