Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.046 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.91; '*S*': 0.00; 'context': 0.07; 'advice.': 0.09; 'latter': 0.09; 'type,': 0.09; 'thread': 0.14; 'gently': 0.16; 'normal,': 0.16; 'preserved': 0.16; 'pruning': 0.16; 'relevant.': 0.16; 'subject:non': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; 'code,': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'tend': 0.24; 'fairly': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'right.': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'generally': 0.29; 'topic': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; '"please': 0.31; "we're": 0.32; 'fri,': 0.33; 'comment': 0.34; 'common': 0.35; "who's": 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'next': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'depends': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'bad': 0.39; 'delete': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'full': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'entire': 0.61; 'happen': 0.63; 'become': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'talking': 0.65; 'between': 0.67; 'dont': 0.67; 'quotations': 0.84; 'habit': 0.91; 'was:': 0.91; 'from.': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=n6n2bQEoqTbRgLAmZqzse4BjNq5E2+hjLkxvNOjlT9g=; b=s4IvrvgsunjWLh3FOpNzZ31/wPBor5DWBXEM6SNt7w8roVWALKuAbwiDfv7TkPErM5 RPREPpSVEc8Cag/A9DutsD0P0h/dZrOTLeuRc6ZGI8gFwOg4CL1LR4FvPlOyC7G/PNuZ bz/SNKs1wTjYeWrcZh9NT4MrFshEqDw1hY7VfPjlo0ugfjXwgiYcQ9brUAspb9EV1h8t 09mlpoJvSFJBRgMyzoydas3IjgVULGSQH6yJPfRM8nuWj1m5bhQoPd2jgF3V3ut7++Zo thk4z4Ft9vCnyu1e5tWONAXc72yw3+CaSlz5XKbWk1OznCelStfgw0Ip7Z8uabK6Xcc/ C7XQ== X-Received: by 10.68.110.165 with SMTP id ib5mr24905467pbb.61.1397194804953; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:40:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1ec8952c-f9c8-4f58-9eee-0707a4c89dee@googlegroups.com> <10c257bb-1b3c-410a-81cf-916136b3f8e6@googlegroups.com> <8c101063-9abe-49f1-a8ab-c5d7048079be@googlegroups.com> <79e36d43-6170-46a0-8f8e-9462f27efd2f@googlegroups.com> From: Ian Kelly Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 23:39:24 -0600 Subject: Re: Teaching python to non-programmers To: Python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1397194808 news.xs4all.nl 2880 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52249 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:70095 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: >> Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told: >> "Please always top post!" >> >> What I was very gently and super politely told was: >> "Please dont delete mail context" > > Then you were told that by someone who does not understand email. > That's equivalent to being told "Don't ever delete any of your code, > just comment it out". I don't care who's saying that, it's bad advice. That depends on what the mail is being used for. For instance there's a difference between mail-as-dialogue and mail-as-business-process. In the former it is normal, even polite, to prune as the topic evolves and past quotations become less relevant. In the latter it seems more common for the entire thread to be preserved as a sort of "chain of custody" -- this way the next person who needs to see the email thread has full context as to what needs to happen and where the request is coming from. I'm generally in the habit of not pruning work-related emails even when they are more of the dialogue type, because these tend to be very tightly focused, and so that if a new person needs to be brought into the conversation they will have the full context of what we're talking about and why we're talking about it.