Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.019 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'practice,': 0.07; 'advice.': 0.09; 'posting.': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'suggest': 0.14; 'thread': 0.14; '*and': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'gently': 0.16; 'pruning': 0.16; 'statistics,': 0.16; 'subject:non': 0.16; 'unhelpful': 0.16; 'usenet': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code,': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'laws': 0.24; 'fairly': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'right.': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; '"please': 0.31; 'universal': 0.31; 'everyone': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'comment': 0.34; "who's": 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'being': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'track': 0.38; 'previous': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'bad': 0.39; 'delete': 0.39; 'skip:p 20': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'simply': 0.61; 'between': 0.67; 'dont': 0.67; 'natural': 0.68; 'lose': 0.68; 'mail,': 0.68; 'everywhere.': 0.84; 'prevailing': 0.84; 'was:': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=4ueBqlqtRLWrGWhZD9mnltT5m1uwpzZwtCsy00IQvHA=; b=ZJJ0+GNI5TVyPjDpHxVZYGVDbXU/YMag+nDYzPBvNxHj7oCZBfTYsOZxVmTNUu4QkJ cOxMEYbqVOwaDdYJnbh105/bpbYAFKVduxYaQGCEP+XBEndPiqYglAlaOAYFAhOmk3cw DOTWZBxbbmVZJGLaHTqPQFij/AQl7zu0+XJaFmzy+BM9z1QwmsByQgJitjeOpc2v0gOM rKS0sDx0gtdQ3EyXMNE4sFSdiSg0U2qpp0Y6/+9Pqxrx/FchqJ3P+p8Qu09MZwuACakr UfwUSybrUynLxk+EX/0kPHPCt2Ar636KBvMMpwMEDmwa/qNNK6Z6VRNKNGTaz46YE3MA d0ig== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.235.6 with SMTP id ui6mr24313922pbc.45.1397193086510; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:11:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <79e36d43-6170-46a0-8f8e-9462f27efd2f@googlegroups.com> References: <1ec8952c-f9c8-4f58-9eee-0707a4c89dee@googlegroups.com> <10c257bb-1b3c-410a-81cf-916136b3f8e6@googlegroups.com> <8c101063-9abe-49f1-a8ab-c5d7048079be@googlegroups.com> <79e36d43-6170-46a0-8f8e-9462f27efd2f@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 15:11:26 +1000 Subject: Re: Teaching python to non-programmers From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1397193089 news.xs4all.nl 2860 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43770 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:70091 On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told: > "Please always top post!" > > What I was very gently and super politely told was: > "Please dont delete mail context" Then you were told that by someone who does not understand email. That's equivalent to being told "Don't ever delete any of your code, just comment it out". I don't care who's saying that, it's bad advice. > Now when a mail goes round between 5 persons and what is addressed at one point > is not the immediate previous mail, bottom-posting without pruning is as > meaningless as top posting. Yep. So you bottom-post *and prune*, because that is how email needs to be. You do not need to repeatedly send copies of the whole thread everywhere. > What is unhelpful is > - to suggest that my norms are universal norms. IOW there is a fundamental > difference between natural and human-made laws > - to lose track of statistics, in this case the population-densities of USENET > vs other internet-kiddie cultures Also unhelpful is to suggest that norms should, simply *because* they are the prevailing practice, be maintained. Even if everyone else on python-list top-posted, I would still bottom-post and trim. "Normal" is not a justification. ChrisA