Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.051 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; 'plenty': 0.07; 'default.': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'posting,': 0.16; 'subject:non': 0.16; 'usenet': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'figures': 0.19; 'outlook': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'tend': 0.24; 'looks': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'compare': 0.26; 'post': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'posting': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'fri,': 0.33; '"the': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'doing': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'minimum': 0.38; 'gmail': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'users': 0.40; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'corporate': 0.67; 'groups.': 0.74; 'pervasive': 0.84; 'unaware': 0.84; 'lazy': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=nNpQ4ZgklIievYDiZ7p+2ol7fESYjO8jSPUp8yPem6A=; b=WZba+d4PjR0i5CpUTb6gHdTpBILv65JpUz4w1KQ/LKAJjy01H00iVcJtGpjeZDis4J MlnueawvzUOLpYgly+x/WxfZirkpzbC6uIBwJQnCtX/l3bJ69uuOopNMMOtVk86QeNSx Ha8Iv2dqZ18cZQDIQHlrpg0rt35uW2MjwCrQYXtMg/tRjknpAkTHCQP9JyeGJqLMnxis eR0F3zK8Xf5SqLDsdAkA10HICsuo/psaLFxsgdBuuKwLKShs/prR5DKiE+lV5u7iXIlx PHOgconYbM3Nogfqw3ibGz1NdD8RYOHuyfvE6iVwAnccDzyUnQ/wnZCY7Tyo4ZrVx34Z 5JWw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.129.133 with SMTP id nw5mr24332711pab.98.1397188741070; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 20:59:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8c101063-9abe-49f1-a8ab-c5d7048079be@googlegroups.com> References: <1ec8952c-f9c8-4f58-9eee-0707a4c89dee@googlegroups.com> <10c257bb-1b3c-410a-81cf-916136b3f8e6@googlegroups.com> <8c101063-9abe-49f1-a8ab-c5d7048079be@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 13:59:00 +1000 Subject: Re: Teaching python to non-programmers From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1397188750 news.xs4all.nl 2868 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35351 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:70089 On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > There are cultures -- far more pervasive than USENET in 2014 -- where > top posting is the norm, eg > - Gmail makes top posting the norm. Compare the figures of gmail and Usenet users > - Corporate cultures more or less require top posting -- helped by MS Outlook > Else it looks like dishonesty/dissimulation/hiding > - Personally I am on different groups. I tend to top post by default. And its > as strange and bizarre there as its required minimum etiquette here I have seen plenty of cultures where people are unaware of the value of interleaved/bottom posting, but so far, not one where anyone has actually required it. Not one. "Norm" here just means "the thing people are too lazy to not do". That's not a reason for anyone else doing it. ChrisA