Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!news.tele.dk!feed118.news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: UNSURE 0.256 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.50; '*S*': 0.01; 'subject:: [': 0.04; 'engineer.': 0.07; 'mask': 0.09; 'tutorials,': 0.09; 'subject:How': 0.10; 'language,': 0.12; 'suggest': 0.14; 'frankly': 0.16; 'happily': 0.16; 'perceived': 0.16; 'received:220.233': 0.16; 'smile': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:when': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'do.': 0.18; 'unlike': 0.19; 'subject:] ': 0.20; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'stick': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'train': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'am,': 0.29; 'direction': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'marc': 0.31; 'subject:what': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'everyone': 0.33; 'level.': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; 'subject:with': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'beyond': 0.35; 'johnson': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'reality': 0.36; 'subject:one': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'question,': 0.38; 'skip:[ 10': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'short': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'recent': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'read': 0.60; 'challenge': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'kindly': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'offer': 0.62; "you'll": 0.62; 'refer': 0.63; 'face': 0.64; 'teaching': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'love': 0.65; 'competition': 0.65; 'teach': 0.65; 'life': 0.66; 'world': 0.66; 'skill': 0.68; 'expectations': 0.74; 'yourself': 0.78; 'savings': 0.81; 'conclude': 0.84; 'death,': 0.84; 'dog"': 0.84; 'here!': 0.84; 'ready,': 0.84; 'subject:find': 0.84; 'day!': 0.85; 'lazy': 0.91; 'mortal': 0.91; 'rick': 0.93; 'subject:OFF': 0.95; 'taught': 0.96 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=marcsnet.com; s=mail; t=1396989569; bh=9C4Vu6bgOjNeJinfhRlB9lO8QDZe6EHerwS8ltlva9E=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=HCh9kag4LjJkIGEbkluKF0qUrcN7g9Wl3xMzMeuoVkF8JkiLpWptaCXJCpFeFRFbs lkH6IutQ7DJpDls/eUPaxcGE6m+KRF15vQ3DLhr1fKc8rkJF+0CtkHPsZz29kd2VVp CT6ordS8NMNzkMLkRC7zedsZzqyXKDzM5Nwr6IBA= Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 06:39:27 +1000 From: Marc Lucke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? References: <5bc85cf7-fc38-4d2f-8082-d30161023b80@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <5bc85cf7-fc38-4d2f-8082-d30161023b80@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 01:49:30 +0200 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 61 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1397000972 news.xs4all.nl 2956 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40815 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:69910 On 9/04/2014 5:47 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 2:07:27 AM UTC-5, James Brewer wrote: >> I'm sure there will be a substantial amount of arrogance >> perceived from this question, but frankly I don't think >> that I have anything to learn from my co-workers, which >> saddens me because I really like to learn and I know that >> I have a lot of learning to do. >> >> [Blah-blah-blah -- rambling in a feeble attempt to mask my >> question as more than just infantile whining -- blah-blah- >> blah...] >> >> Basically, I want to be a better engineer. Where can I >> find someone willing to point me in the right direction >> and what can I offer in return? > Judging from your childish optimism and bombastic > expectations that the onerous of scholastic achievements lay > solely in the prowess of your teacher, i can only conclude > that you are yet another recent graduate of one of the > "fine universities" that happily rob naive parents of their > life savings and then infect the professional world with > plagues of self-absorbed little lazy a-holes who think they > offload their workload on everyone else. > > So you want to be taught eh? Maybe you should consider this > little "tidbit"... > > "When the pupil is ready, the master will appear" > > And now allow me to "female dog" slap you back in to reality > about your new found "masters" -- you know, the ones you so > kindly refer to as "co-workers"... > > > They are not going to help you! > > They are not going to teach you! > > Heck, they may not even point you in the direction of > the lavatory when you need to tinkle! > > No, these people are your mortal enemies. They will smile to > your pimpled face and then stick a knife in your back -- not > much unlike the trolls around here! > > Listen kid; working is competition, a competition to the > death, and only the stupidest of stupid person would train > their replacement! > > So what is a boy to do? > > I would suggest you learn a little self reliance. Go and > read some tutorials, learn a new language, try to challenge > yourself to build something that is beyond your skill level. > Short of that you'll always be Bubba's "female dog". > > Good day! > "Teach and learn twice". I love teaching people. It makes me better. Marc