Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.010 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.04; 'subject:How': 0.10; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'python."': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:when': 0.16; 'worst': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'basically': 0.19; 'work,': 0.20; 'subject:] ': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'him.': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'convince': 0.31; 'larry': 0.31; 'perl': 0.31; 'subject:what': 0.31; "we're": 0.32; 'subject:with': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; "he's": 0.36; 'subject:one': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'thank': 0.38; 'either': 0.39; 'wish': 0.70; 'pike': 0.84; 'subject:find': 0.84; 'favour': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'subject:OFF': 0.95 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=U2bH4yehc0RPrbe2leeltrkRQjtmhZ0aFjuQw5tsFhg=; b=R6yFqYp/S7Zw4tAoqti9A2+1gsr0hlB9kZdY3i3WEVpSYGXXZfmH++K54lbflNdk5p QMlWWQ/FWltys3A2QfA9C9rcgWSetM3aYxXw6dAY7NbmclnjlNOYGsqO27Qse9TIcmdH DxR2YKmaQwJ2dTb1XcZH96HZNyhwoMOgDRyJdR+giRQIt4AfW8WQW9Eqj9cFmvCOo6P2 n0CooGavXhB69XQc37r/tPi88lv6Zrpl8dbCdYHEQTuzHhxIssxLHJMwODCwZofh30NV YgXEMkbYx/r8dTc/CdUGrfyOcfRcCnsth7Ci2VJ+CZUBlFb71hNKaJL2NVx3r4GgeNgz vuCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.69.8.225 with SMTP id dn1mr5619580pbd.46.1396972132188; Tue, 08 Apr 2014 08:48:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 01:48:52 +1000 Subject: Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? From: Chris Angelico Cc: Python List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1396972140 news.xs4all.nl 2929 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59333 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:69878 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Larry Martell wrote: > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> He was majorly turned off >> by the whole thing of significant whitespace and basically just told >> me "there will be no Python here". Bah.) > > I had programmed in perl for 20 years, then got a job at place where > the boss made the edict "There will be no perl here, only python." I > resisted, complained, grumbled and struggled for a few months, but now > I thank him every time I see him. I managed to convince him to let me use Pike for a lot of the work, though I suspect that - now that we're no longer working together - he's ripping a lot of it out in favour of either PHP or JavaScript. And that's a job I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. ChrisA