Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.063 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.88; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.04; '-people': 0.09; 'subject:How': 0.10; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'times,': 0.14; 'eat': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:when': 0.16; 'why,': 0.16; 'words.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'subject:] ': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'helpful': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'generally': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'post.': 0.31; 'subject:what': 0.31; 'stuff': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; 'projects.': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'subject:with': 0.35; 'beyond': 0.35; "who's": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'much.': 0.36; 'patient': 0.36; 'subject:one': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'experience,': 0.37; 'even': 0.60; 'you.': 0.62; 'back': 0.62; 'making': 0.63; 'duty': 0.68; 'bite': 0.84; 'find.': 0.84; 'idiot': 0.84; "it'd": 0.84; 'subject:find': 0.84; 'theories': 0.84; 'viable': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92; 'electronics': 0.95; 'subject:OFF': 0.95 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=J6EuRv5Az8DH0NY3ZPTKkx3hwbPNLezoBUTKp5JzqpM=; b=f5r/x+6jNOFVzbwenT4wVKUl5Ok8yuodxTkEWfG8HLaYmP5CXr49VQ11AM1ANoJwfO EGCmXqPfNpLYO6M0Xwk/VjihDoDSC25uGQOA26agM5R89m4OoBMGVoDNrMEtLs6drvsA M8bgFqILVXUHOr5ah7W1Gs8UIyCELxk5Q9GpQLJWDCGLG5FHQiZBkHTCYXZejJrTDpCt GtxrWLLZaW0/S5F/BijbvJ9n4coyV4j6kBOeOQsTonuWYz5dMaI+ehdO4qQ3Mj+dmNqw CtjT9XHgRDzUzSKdYNSdqBxct2yD5MrWAV65Z+UDENd0IXg/8q93wqYit6F2hf1gI80D G6dA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.181.70 with SMTP id du6mr5491404pac.23.1396971522416; Tue, 08 Apr 2014 08:38:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201404081114.57345.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201404081114.57345.gheskett@wdtv.com> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 01:38:42 +1000 Subject: Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1396971530 news.xs4all.nl 2849 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48526 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:69874 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > Ditto, but make it 65 years in electronics for me. > >> -People make you feel like an idiot when you ask a question and they >> intimidate you so you don't come back and ask more. > > That generally only happens a couple times, I am good at making them eat > their words. So you play the curmudgeon. That's a perfectly viable role... for someone who's been doing stuff for 65 years. For someone straight out of school, not so much. Even for someone with a few years' experience, trying to bite back like that is very risky. >> -People are super patient and helpful and they answer all your >> questions and go beyond the call of duty to help you. > > A utopia very few will ever find. In corporate, yes, it's rare. But it's a lot less rare in open source projects. I could go into my theories as to why, but it'd make for a long post. ChrisA