Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.albasani.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.016 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'programmer': 0.03; 'subject:: [': 0.04; 'yet.': 0.04; 'subject:How': 0.10; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; 'programmer,': 0.16; 'programmers,': 0.16; 'quit.': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:when': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; "hasn't": 0.19; 'things.': 0.19; 'subject:] ': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; "aren't": 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'list:': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'larry': 0.31; 'subject:what': 0.31; 'worked': 0.33; 'programmers': 0.33; 'subject:with': 0.35; 'one,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; "he's": 0.36; 'subject:one': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'tell': 0.60; 'issues,': 0.61; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'decided': 0.64; 'places': 0.64; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'where:': 0.68; 'day': 0.76; 'or:': 0.84; 'subject:find': 0.84; 'subject:OFF': 0.95 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=5/eMD+iI7Kl+6giYOQJ/dBsskx+mPhxGpyyK0uZl7EE=; b=YqHmpf9b+lCPZkOJlVBCTlPPyxKhEyD1Ikx8i5fOqfLUtUMJIqM3M0n+OHOvfUDuHZ 3M6C7piRIuKv8Rp9rGxiMCY8Q9FG15Xq5YdT7Rj6GSWYa2gLrMn8aMSmJO9l+RwdDXUh wPXJeZOZbaC09Q+mYtFUvwByiX/hIyttwP/WyZenm/a0x1q1/aAUquBTnQ+XFiNwi/wb nWziwkF4cpjrypPFy4zNwP0z6WzStVWI98ZLMyY1knxaxD9I5RGJNbeYu+bqKgDHR2Ll I67NVWNYie7pk32figiW6r7DJGt1EPwYrOSFV5GWNKK/TUYs/Z1r0ZaeHk95IFw3Qpq7 aVTg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.87.233 with SMTP id bb9mr5147551wib.10.1396969849906; Tue, 08 Apr 2014 08:10:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 11:10:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? From: Larry Martell To: Chris Angelico Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Python List X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1396970196 news.xs4all.nl 2888 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60383 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:69870 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Larry Martell wrote: >> I've worked at places where: > > Add to that list: > > - Some of the programmers really aren't programmers, but the boss just > hasn't figured it out yet. > > That was my last job, until said non-programmer decided to quit. Or: The boss thinks they're a programmer and they're not and wants to tell you how to do things. Or: The boss is a former programmer, perhaps even a very good one, but he's not at all involved with the day to day issues, but still wants to tell you how to do things.