Path: csiph.com!news.swapon.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Larry Martell Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Promoting Python Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 10:36:20 -0400 Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <87h9ffgdtr.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <874mben83d.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de NENH4beM8y59es3qKylI7QiaH7keq84GHsWy6ueUDbCg== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'essential.': 0.09; 'oh,': 0.09; 'language,': 0.11; 'wed,': 0.15; 'variables': 0.15; '2016': 0.16; 'assignments,': 0.16; 'expressions,': 0.16; 'expressions.': 0.16; 'participate.': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'those,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'language': 0.19; 'to:name:python- list@python.org': 0.20; 'rid': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'url:edu': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'coding': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'if,': 0.29; 'url:wikipedia': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'that.': 0.30; 'url:wiki': 0.30; 'getting': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'received:209.85': 0.36; 'basic': 0.36; 'flow': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:209.85.213': 0.37; 'seem': 0.37; 'doing': 0.38; 'received:209': 0.38; 'means': 0.39; 'url:en': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'more': 0.63; 'intent': 0.66; 'introduce': 0.79 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=4UHWlU4Ej79C4kYiUDzhxLxVesduRa9dyURopnjsuEg=; b=omCVorUhw2sgUuKm76QvkALz/BlkcYSzbe7q2RDceWPpBxy0z3LmQls5HKR/cDVhYl b12CbeNsN62OiWkgs9F2YZr5EXJFsanwa0GM5YvSAV4kyK3MrVw4cTihqpPw1UTJyR1J ysz3dHZgidimXeAjXMG8zgYJwwgeYROKPclsqUz/Z4ZNWLxD54KAjrbca9d51Uil+s2Q O+f81Ji/RxxyiRDv9NZoB5Uo3MFEQXawCPKtk0xdHzDPyYnTJFnEtAe6na2ZmEaC/pXt taeiKYhy71H2av9EKlZDjzH2daCMDW1iOObKW1kxavUNVxfufg6EbDZWQY2M+uEYcias l9fw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=4UHWlU4Ej79C4kYiUDzhxLxVesduRa9dyURopnjsuEg=; b=B8yEBZp1DhZ+5Pand+Njp0H0YtLEITzL5B2R3QweOQawnJmCHA+ctAqURN48Nx7Hqc cVffE9wfVoMOpRrb4vpZwSuiLO6jTbdl+eUmjBkZZospJ/2pTyVC6yWqz4dPsXrPEeED 4Mu2x7uL+n5KdD4KGU56mL8wO9iMvl/l+DIC+oVScdiSVY5tkH8DJ24iHwYOID+5hYO2 bGrX23QNlBqpuRiLJ8SEPgU7nY29x4QU9fP4vv3aPQKtLmrwojYLD3dwZSXedEJL6RMj PnWLI7zfPMVPCy+NyTJ8ie7ZRwFA6yANMcuNIwfxNX3wQoSE//LLU2WuvkzGA2uWVUn5 Kk4w== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLzJrW1soY0WuA+rtp2BlMYdBNPsRz0r0VVEQXe7O/G/W4DxxE3mCf/0TYmvqB1rf38OYlpB7C0CmGvsA== X-Received: by 10.50.43.170 with SMTP id x10mr23859598igl.47.1459953420630; Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:37:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <874mben83d.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: <87h9ffgdtr.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <874mben83d.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:106586 On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > BartC : > >> But you're right in that little is actually essential. Basic has shown >> that. >> >> You need expressions, IF, GOTO, variables and assignments, and some >> means of doing I/O. >> >> Pretty much every language has (had) those, although it's fashionable >> now to do away with GOTO, and some are getting rid of (rewritable) >> variables too! Others seem intent on doing away with control flow >> altogether, just having expressions. Apparently they think coding >> should become more elitist with only mathematicians allowed to >> participate. > > Oh, I'm also in the minimalist camp. Let me introduce you to the > simplest imaginable fully-featured programming language, iota: > > > > When I first ran into iota, my mind was blown. Also, follow the link to > zot: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTERCAL