Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.016 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:not': 0.03; 'tree': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'def': 0.12; 'add,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'iteration,': 0.16; 'such,': 0.16; 'true:': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'example': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'fairly': 0.24; 'looks': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'style': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'i.e.': 0.36; 'programming,': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'christian': 0.38; 'problems': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'is.': 0.60; 'break': 0.61; 'such': 0.63; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'natural': 0.68; 'walk': 0.74; '2015': 0.84; 'grew': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=kkn5on8MpA4yvp6XcIt9itjN/imp1tvBld5jHzSVOuE=; b=O/CGtZVj6ctNJrPkHgAnbKmk2Eag8c6+GGxOgNox56O1XoLG777YnIbEGEmaRCZswr 6ob4KPcXVPhCurMUTUtJnW+QUGARhHD1ygTrnLyjZnZLlPkXUNRD3YqXjJYIEDEDHIej fgAQFoguca5v2/fwVYLnVx6XkQnq5pUKhfDLYzTw9xL9Qfy0hec9FmFRKW6oGt21Jyee kBUGvPbvbsM+mYrnXw+Uyysz+52mhp2F/ZsrIvmvHK4Ah8UCcfSTI5fxKwE45w+LtgqE SZfgC1Ye2iJ5gXSyLlvKytuC6embISSuP62aSjzCSbdeFG81DAm+g2cO07Dt5ewNvDgm W31Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.66.172 with SMTP id g12mr2788621igt.34.1430565704402; Sat, 02 May 2015 04:21:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <87mw1q9jqw.fsf@Equus.decebal.nl> <87383hj4zj.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87d22lx38x.fsf@Equus.decebal.nl> <55432557$0$12994$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87383fo062.fsf@Equus.decebal.nl> <87egmzl4yr.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87a8xnl2r6.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 21:21:44 +1000 Subject: Re: Python is not bad ;-) From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1430565706 news.xs4all.nl 2911 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56608 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:89764 On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote: > I need to add, I grew up with imperative programming, and as such got > recursion as the solution to problems that are too complex for iteration, > i.e. tree traversal and such, and exactly these are never tail-recursive. Tree traversal can be forking-recursive: def walk(func): if self.left and self.left.walk(func): return 1 if func(self.payload): return 1 if self.right: return self.right.walk(func) The left walk is non-tail-recursive, but the right walk is. This particular style looks rather less clean with iteration: def walk(func): while True: if self.left and self.left.walk(func): return 1 if func(self.payload): return 1 if not self.right: break self = self.right I'd call this an example of fairly natural tail recursion. ChrisA