Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.010 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'editor.': 0.09; 'macros': 0.09; 'subject:still': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'gui': 0.11; 'subject:python': 0.11; "(i'm": 0.16; 'anyway).': 0.16; 'clunky': 0.16; 'folding': 0.16; 'hacks': 0.16; 'hits': 0.16; 'wed,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'subject:need': 0.17; 'jan': 0.18; 'followed': 0.20; 'work,': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'programming': 0.23; 'seems': 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'external': 0.24; 'command': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; '(which': 0.26; 'am,': 0.27; 'coding': 0.27; 'lines': 0.28; '(maybe': 0.29; 'buffers': 0.29; 'key,': 0.29; 'case,': 0.29; 'words': 0.29; 'code': 0.31; 'surely': 0.33; 'typically': 0.33; 'another': 0.33; 'needed': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'michael': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'visual': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'editor': 0.37; 'subject:New': 0.37; 'well.': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'delete': 0.38; 'instead': 0.39; 'most': 0.61; 'subject:, ': 0.61; 'letters': 0.62; 'more': 0.63; 'sweet': 0.71; 'completion': 0.78; 'productivity': 0.78; 'alpine': 0.84; 'from:addr:wayne': 0.84; 'subject:good': 0.84 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:37:54 -0600 (CST) From: Wayne Werner X-X-Sender: wayne@gilgamesh To: Michael Torrie Subject: Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough? In-Reply-To: <50E4A7A2.4010104@gmail.com> References: <50e25c10$0$30003$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <50E32E58.3000102@lightbird.net> <50E4A7A2.4010104@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1357181244 news.xs4all.nl 6881 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45838 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:36026 On Wed, 2 Jan 2013, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 01/01/2013 11:43 AM, Mitya Sirenef wrote: >> Therefore, deleting 3 WORDs is 3daW (mnemonic: del a WORD 3 times). > > Interesting. I typically use just d3w. 3daW seems to delete 3 lines > for me, the same result as d3. Another favorite command is d or > c followed by a number and then the right arrow key, for manipulating > letters instead of words. Right arrow and not l? Surely you jest! ;) > > In any case, I can be way more productive with just a few commands > (maybe 3 or 4 commands or concepts) in Vim than in almost any GUI > editor. In my experience, Vim users almost always find this to be true > for them as well. Vim really hits the sweet spot for productivity and > usability. The only thing about Vim that I find clunky is how code > folding macros work, and also code completion hacks (which I have never > needed anyway). Yep. That's how I feel. I had used ViEmu in Visual Studio for coding in .NET at work - but I found that the buffers & macros were more powerful. So now I do most of my programming in Vim, and only head to VS if I need autocomplete or some of it's auto-generation tools. (I'm even writing this email in Vim as my external editor from alpine ;) -W