Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.dougwise.org!news-transit.tcx.org.uk!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'folks': 0.04; 'svn': 0.04; 'ubuntu': 0.04; 'git': 0.07; 'repository': 0.07; 'python': 0.07; 'command-line': 0.09; 'correctness': 0.09; 'machines.': 0.09; 'ssh': 0.09; 'subject:tools': 0.09; 'too).': 0.09; 'worse': 0.09; 'pm,': 0.11; 'written': 0.12; 'win32': 0.12; 'wrote:': 0.14; '(via': 0.16; '-tkc': 0.16; 'better?': 0.16; 'bzr': 0.16; 'clunky': 0.16; 'emacs,': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; 'message-id:@tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'previously,': 0.16; 'received:70.251': 0.16; 'received:dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net': 0.16; 'received:rcsntx.swbell.net': 0.16; 'received:swbell.net': 0.16; 'ui,': 0.16; 'worse,': 0.16; 'preference': 0.16; 'protocol': 0.16; 'subject:was': 0.16; 'subject:] ': 0.16; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.20; 'interface': 0.20; 'seems': 0.21; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.22; '(and': 0.22; '(though': 0.23; 'optional': 0.23; 'periodic': 0.23; 'smart': 0.23; "they've": 0.23; 'vs.': 0.23; 'worked': 0.24; 'ftp': 0.25; 'instead': 0.26; 'tried': 0.27; 'least': 0.30; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.31; 'focus': 0.31; '(just': 0.31; 'now)': 0.31; 'rigorous': 0.31; 'subversion': 0.31; "i've": 0.33; 'skip:= 10': 0.33; 'bit': 0.33; 'chosen': 0.33; 'fairly': 0.33; 'using': 0.34; 'starting': 0.34; 'change': 0.34; 'received:70': 0.34; 'there': 0.35; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.35; 'widely': 0.35; '(with': 0.36; 'some': 0.37; 'http': 0.38; 'user': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'used': 0.38; 'cc:2**1': 0.38; 'though': 0.38; 'somewhat': 0.39; 'under': 0.39; 'subject: (': 0.39; 'hosting': 0.39; "it's": 0.40; 'learn': 0.60; 'best': 0.60; 'care': 0.67; 'improving': 0.69; 'online': 0.70; 'become': 0.70; 'subject:Development': 0.73; 'advantages': 0.77; '(linux': 0.84; 'slow,': 0.84; 'speed,': 0.84; 'speedy': 0.84; 'comparable': 0.91; 'probe': 0.91; 'acknowledge': 0.96 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:44:29 -0500 From: Tim Chase User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Algis Kabaila Subject: Re: [OT] Comparing VCS tools (was ""Development tools and practices for Pythonistas") References: <58a6bb1b-a98e-4c4a-86ea-09e040cb2d21@r35g2000prj.googlegroups.com> <201104270442.15810.akabaila@pcug.org.au> In-Reply-To: <201104270442.15810.akabaila@pcug.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - boston.accountservergroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tim.thechases.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: python-list@python.org, Thomas Rachel X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 96 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1303868686 news.xs4all.nl 41103 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:45109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:4102 On 04/26/2011 01:42 PM, Algis Kabaila wrote: > Thomas, have you tried bzr (Bazaar) and if so do you consider hg > (Mercurial) better? > > And why is it better? (bzr is widely used in ubuntu, which is > my favourite distro at present). Each of the main 3 (bzr, hg, git) have advantages and disadvantages. As Ben (and others?) mentions, it's best to learn one of these instead of starting with something like Subversion or worse (CVS or worse, *shudder* MS Visual SourceSafe) Bazaar (bzr) ============ launchpad.net popular for hosting Pros: - some Ubuntu interactions (such as launchpad) easier - a rigorous focus on correctness - written in Python (with a small optional bit of C) - easy-to-use interface (CVS-ish) - good cross-platform support Cons: - was slow, though I understand they've worked on improving this Protocols: - custom/smart protocol - http - sftp - ftp - rsync (via plugin) Mercurial (hg) ============== BitBucket is popular for hosting Pros: - speedy - written in Python (with a small optional bit of C) - easy-to-use interface (CVS-ish) - fairly compact repositories - EXCELLENT documentation via online book - chosen by Python as the repository of choice - good cross-platform support Cons: - no biggies that I've found Protocols: - http - ssh Git (git) ========= GitHub is popular for hosting Pros: - a *lot* of popular projects use it (Linux kernel) - fast - fairly compact repositories - good documentation (though somewhat scattered) Cons: - interface diverges from the "CVS standards" - (was?) not native on - repositories require periodic maintenance using git gc - Win32 support is/was a little clunky - interface was under tumultuous change for a while (though it seems to have stabilized now) Protocols: - custom/smart protocol - http - sftp - ftp So that said, I've become a Mercurial user because the interface was close to SVN which I used previously, and it was speedy on my older machines. If bzr has come up to comparable speed, I'd be game to probe it again. I just don't care for git's command-line UI, but that's a personal preference thing (just like I prefer vi/vim over emacs, but acknowledge there are lots of smart folks on the other side, too). -tkc For at least hg vs. git, see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1598759/git-and-mercurial-compare-and-contrast