Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder5.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'algorithm': 0.04; 'familiarity': 0.07; '#include': 0.09; 'main()': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'skip:= 70': 0.12; "wouldn't": 0.14; '(other': 0.16; 'braces': 0.16; 'count,': 0.16; 'easier.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'is;': 0.16; 'notably': 0.16; 'optional': 0.16; 'partly': 0.16; 'readable': 0.16; 'recurse': 0.16; 'subject:unicode': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'decide': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'compare': 0.26; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'switch': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'relative': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'that.': 0.31; 'break;': 0.31; 'closer': 0.31; 'comparison': 0.31; 'dropped': 0.31; 'end,': 0.31; 'factor': 0.31; 'second,': 0.31; 'quite': 0.32; 'guess': 0.33; 'not.': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'one,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'scheme': 0.36; 'tight': 0.36; 'version:': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'clear': 0.37; 'depends': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'easy': 0.60; 'numbers': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; 'simple': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'making': 0.63; 'name': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'url:c': 0.67; 'acts': 0.74; 'prime': 0.74; '(let': 0.84; 'actually,': 0.84; 'technically': 0.84; 'cast': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=GuA1zHuqJuaQS9DxzWCnOOPz/ZJtPNIwvOgFYq1DnLs=; b=Q2n+e+KJW46Q4Jq53/Kx255pbWvz9RxhiKo2ndm9Hcm/djFj8JUSxqxVvgJrnbU/J9 1sOAmq+ZT3cz5HfDLODFtXGhR5H53MjIBDlkxAaWpV2TyzeVoNHZ1CoUu2pPYxj/pyki 4UnH4SsqIB4pdj3FFHqFXiU2b6nnMzN8CMNxEpViCWyvVJelzhUYCKW0UWvmKndRWuA2 7HyPzfieZ21Gqmv+R+Fz3FaOFFn1fNn4PGLRMGvTIPGzk/sHNguxe5DEkoLrrBkaTEO1 3C4w0iyziwo7Ue3mYkMfiOJZD7w3oomHbbYWLHsdH97pDyeIYR8g2Vn1Gi49XiafRsLI IPbw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.235.6 with SMTP id ui6mr30881847pbc.45.1396356841189; Tue, 01 Apr 2014 05:54:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87ob0ltfze.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> References: <5331D902.3030902@gmail.com> <53321819$0$29994$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <53393BA4.2080305@rece.vub.ac.be> <5339C281.7080300@rece.vub.ac.be> <533A768F.5080102@rece.vub.ac.be> <87txadtmwq.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87ob0ltfze.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 23:54:00 +1100 Subject: Re: unicode as valid naming symbols From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 130 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1396356845 news.xs4all.nl 2915 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58717 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:69508 On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > ======================================================================== > #include > > int main() > { > int n, i = 3, count, c; > > printf("Enter the number of prime numbers required\n"); > scanf("%d",&n); > > if ( n >= 1 ) > { > printf("First %d prime numbers are :\n",n); > printf("2\n"); > } > > for ( count = 2 ; count <= n ; ) > { > for ( c = 2 ; c <= i - 1 ; c++ ) > { > if ( i%c == 0 ) > break; > } > if ( c == i ) > { > printf("%d\n",i); > count++; > } > i++; > } > > return 0; > } > ======================================================================== > ( c-program-for-prime-number>) Here's my tweaked version of that: ======================================================================== #include int main() { int i = 3, count, factor; printf("Enter the number of prime numbers required\n"); scanf("%d",&count); if ( count >= 1 ) { printf("First %d prime numbers are:\n",count); printf("2\n"); } while (count > 1) { /* This is a pretty stupid algorithm */ for ( factor = 2 ; factor <= i - 1 ; factor++ ) if ( i%factor == 0 ) break; if ( factor == i ) { printf("%d\n",i); count--; } i++; } return 0; } ======================================================================== Doesn't change the parenthesis count (other than that I dropped an unnecessary pair of braces; some people would prefer to keep them, but I find they're quite superfluous), but improves readability. (Why use a for loop when you could use a simple while?) As to the question of whether this is more or less readable than the Scheme version... I guess that partly depends on the reader's relative familiarity with C and Scheme, but it's crystal clear to me what the C version is doing - and that it's doing something stupid. I don't find it more readable to cast something as recursive; compare these two tight loops: (let find-divisor ((c 2)) (cond ((= c i) (format #t "~S\n" i) (display-primes (1+ count) (1+ i))) ((= (remainder i c) 0) (display-primes count (1+ i))) (else (find-divisor (1+ c))))))))) for ( factor = 2 ; factor <= i - 1 ; factor++ ) if ( i%factor == 0 ) break; if ( factor == i ) { printf("%d\n",i); count--; } In the first one, you start doing something, and if you don't have a termination point, you recurse - which means you have to name this loop as a function. In the second, you simply iterate, and then at the end, decide whether you have the termination condition or not. It's easy to see what the loop condition is; it's easy to see that it will always end by one or other termination rule, and then it acts based on that. Actually, if you switch the conditions, it would look a bit more like the Scheme version: for ( factor = 2 ; i%factor ; factor++ ) { if ( factor == i ) { printf("%d\n",i); count--; break; } } I wouldn't say this makes the code notably more readable, and it doesn't change the parenthesis count (apart from making more people want to put the outer braces in - they're still technically optional, and that was only an optional reduction in the first place), but it's a closer equivalent and that might make comparison easier. My view is definitely that the C version is WAY more readable than the Scheme one. ChrisA